RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 11 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11 On 02/02/2024 at 21:03, Tricky said: Here’s a question - poss a silly one but as I don’t know the answer for sure: does anyone know what would the S Healing & Sons wagons have conveyed? Coal, sacks and a sheet, barrels? Any ideas…?! Sorry, coming a bit late to this but I'm going to nail my colours firmly to the mast and say it's a coal wagon. As a coal wagon, it wouldn't be (fit to be) used for anything else, except perhaps bricks from a colliery with brickworks attached, or pit props back from the port if it was used for shipping. This is the whole basis of the private owner wagon system. Merchandise - grain, flour, &c. - would have been conveyed in railway company wagons. The Gloucester RC&W Co. photo of Healing's wagon No. 5 of January 1900 shows that it was clearly marked: Empty to Netherseal Colliery near Burton-on-Trent. That's a coal mine, not a treacle mine. 2 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted February 12 Author Share Posted February 12 14 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Sorry, coming a bit late to this but I'm going to nail my colours firmly to the mast and say it's a coal wagon. As a coal wagon, it wouldn't be (fit to be) used for anything else, except perhaps bricks from a colliery with brickworks attached, or pit props back from the port if it was used for shipping. This is the whole basis of the private owner wagon system. Merchandise - grain, flour, &c. - would have been conveyed in railway company wagons. The Gloucester RC&W Co. photo of Healing's wagon No. 5 of January 1900 shows that it was clearly marked: Empty to Netherseal Colliery near Burton-on-Trent. That's a coal mine, not a treacle mine. Fair point…! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34006 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 14 hours ago, Compound2632 said: Sorry, coming a bit late to this but I'm going to nail my colours firmly to the mast and say it's a coal wagon. As a coal wagon, it wouldn't be (fit to be) used for anything else, except perhaps bricks from a colliery with brickworks attached, or pit props back from the port if it was used for shipping. This is the whole basis of the private owner wagon system. Merchandise - grain, flour, &c. - would have been conveyed in railway company wagons. The Gloucester RC&W Co. photo of Healing's wagon No. 5 of January 1900 shows that it was clearly marked: Empty to Netherseal Colliery near Burton-on-Trent. That's a coal mine, not a treacle mine. Netherseal Colliery - closed 1947.Acces line used for wagon storage until mid 60's.Was home to "Trojan",now at Didcot.Site is now completely cleared,nothing left except the brick built reservoir(for fire fighting?),and parts of the trackbed. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 12 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12 29 minutes ago, 34006 said: Netherseal Colliery - closed 1947.Acces line used for wagon storage until mid 60's.Was home to "Trojan",now at Didcot.Site is now completely cleared,nothing left except the brick built reservoir(for fire fighting?),and parts of the trackbed. According to the Durham Mining Museum website: http://www.dmm.org.uk/colliery/n229.htm at closure employed 440, down from a peak of 872 in 1923. Several seams were worked, producing household and manufacturing coal. In 1933, the annual output was stated to be 200,000 tons which equates to around 400 wagonloads per week. The Neatherseal Colliery Co. Ltd. was a one-colliery firm. In the 1890s it was managed by G.J. Binns but by 1933 the Binns family had relocated to Dunstable, a much more picturesque place in which to live off the toil of the working man than Swadlincote. They had been joined on the board by the Jacksons of Clay Cross Hall, military types who were also directors of the Clay Cross Co. and Wingfield Manor Colliery. Brigader General G.M. Jackson, who was chairman of the Clay Cross Co, was in 1929 was reported as being involved in efforts to coordinate miners' welfare centres, so he can't have been that black a capitalist at heart. His son, Capt. G.R. Jackson, was also on the Netherseal board. After distinguished war service, he played cricket for Derbyshire and England; another son and a nephew of the General also played for Derbyshire. The Clay Cross Co. was founded by George Stephenson, following the discovery of coal measures and iron ore during the excavation of Clay Cross tunnel on the North Midland Railway. Robert Stephenson struggled to keep the company going and sold out to the Jacksons in 1852. So your Healing wagon has a connection to the Father of Railways! Amazing what pathways one wanders down once one gets going... 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34006 Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 (edited) On 12/02/2024 at 07:03, 34006 said: Netherseal Colliery - closed 1947.Acces line used for wagon storage until mid 60's.Was home to "Trojan",now at Didcot.Site is now completely cleared,nothing left except the brick built reservoir(for fire fighting?),and parts of the trackbed. For those who may be interested(and the last bit of info I have) I present "The Netherseal Colliery Branch,in all it's glory" Phil Edited February 19 by 34006 excess images 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34006 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Apologies for multiplicity of images,why this has happened,I know not. Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daifly Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 You can always edit the post & remove the surplus! Dave 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34006 Posted February 19 Share Posted February 19 All done. Phil 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Will he ever make up his mind?! Still not happy with the left hand end. So I was chatting to a well-known friend. He quite rightly suggested that the Quay Branch bridge would make an attractive end piece and scenic break. The only slight difficulty could be that the bridge will be at right angles to the ‘flow’ of the layout but as truth is well and truly stretched to the limit on Tewks anyway, then I think I can pull it off. The bridge will have a piece of track on it disappearing into the nether regions of Healings Mill. The track that at the moment exits stage left will be shortened and end at buffer stops against a brewery building. I think I have a mental image of what will happen; let’s just hope reality follows fairly swiftly as Railex ‘24 will come round soon enough! 12 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted March 23 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 23 Fact and fiction. In case you thought that I’d never make my mind up about this blessed mill, I’ve been quietly beavering away. Today I managed to make the bridge railings and spray them with red primer. I actually quite like the colour and will probs keep it. The mill buildings themselves are coming along nicely but none of it is fixed down yet until I’ve ballasted the track behind it all. Great to make some real progress though. I’ve added an image lifted from Google of the real thing. 20 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted March 26 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26 Interesting model As to grain, pretty sure most arrived by barge until the 1990s, I remember seeing the barges, either moored at Healings, or running down the Severn. One of the reasons Upper Lode lock is so big. My parents used to have a boat moored on the Avon. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 2 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 2 I plan on being able to post some progress pics over the next few days. Here is the mill end, almost finished. The left hand building is actually fixed now. The right hand one (brewery) needs a bit of detail but not far off. I need to fit a black blanking panel at the end of the dummy track. The track behind has been ballasted, just needs some weathering. Still thinking about what to do between the brewery and the engine shed - some sort of brewery yard probably. More water to vanish and stone quay wall to paint. And you may have noticed the rather fetching red surround rather than the dull grey! This has meant the railings couldn’t stay red and are now black! 22 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 3 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 3 Another update: this time on the right hand end, a very low-relief building to hide the track exit. Shades of ‘Bristol’ with hidden text. And also work progressing on the back right corner. None of this (apart from the rear-most buildings) is fitted permanently yet, but will be soon. 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 4 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 4 Thursday’s update: the station canopy roof has been extended to follow the curved backscene in its new position, painted and fitted. The loading bay has also been glued down, as well as the framing for the rear goods platform. Finally the brewery has been fitted, track behind painted and blanking panel between the mill and brewery. The last structure is, of course, the engine shed but I will have to finish ballasting the trackwork behind it before fitting it. Really cracking on now! 25 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 7 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 7 Johnson Half Cab back from having DCC and sound fitted. Runs very smoothly indeed and has full working inside motion - not that you can see any of it! Tomorrow I will strip it down and start painting. Let’s hope it goes back together as it should! 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 12 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 12 Progress update! Coming together slowly but surely. A lot of detail work has been done, some not obvious from these few pics. Ballast is all laid but still needs weathering along with the rails. The engine shed is in need of some TLC and then it’s concentrate on the ground works. Work is also progressing in the background on three locos. Updates to follow at some stage! The water also needs re-doing!! 19 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 15 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 15 I couldn’t decide where on RMWeb to post this, so thought I’d pop it here. I had one of those flashes of inspiration over the weekend; just as I pulled Tewkesbury out of store a few months ago to resurrect it and finish it off, I decided to also drag out the original ‘Monk’s Gate’ which has also been languishing in the dust depths of my undercroft. I’m now thinking way ahead but this will be re-purposed and re-modelled to the next in the ‘Midland in…’ series as ‘Midland in Nottingham’. For those of you with good memories, you may recall this layout as my first real attempt at a layout about 7 or 8 years ago. I am loath to waste the boards and track and some of the scenic elements (although much has moved on in my methods since then). You’ll see that Nottingham Goods provided some inspiration even then with the canal and stone walling. This time around I will extend the canal to include the tunnel and also include the grain warehouse as a back-drop. My thinking also is that I may even keep M in N rather than sell it on…we shall see. The B&W photo is lifted from Midland Record no1 - the photo that started it all! 24 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schooner Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 The nodelling is gorgeous (very much enjoying that leverframe too), but... 2 hours ago, Tricky said: Cor! Noted :) 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky Posted April 17 Author Share Posted April 17 So, having dragged out of storage the ancient and dusty Monk's Gate, I am loathe to shove it back from whence it came, but at a tad over 8' long I was stumped as to where it could go in my relatively cramped workshop. So I reduced the working height of Tewks and strung up Monk's Gate over it from the Dexion rafters! Not very pretty, and not easily accessible but at least it now has a place in the workshop - and very poetically, a place once more in my affections! 12 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tricky Posted April 20 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 20 A few nice little detail scenes emerging on Tewks. Subject to overcoming some technical DCC issues, I’m getting there! 20 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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