RMweb Gold Popular Post BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted November 8, 2019 Results – The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 Hello everyone Very many thanks to all those who downloaded and displayed The Poll posters and who took part in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019. Once again, the 00 Poll Team would like to express its grateful thanks to Andy York for all his timely help in running ‘the computerised aspects’ of The Poll for us and particularly for the ‘new style’. Although The Poll is ‘hosted’ on RMweb, Andy does this as a volunteer in his own time and neither he nor Warners/BRM etc have any ‘influence’ on it. The 00 Poll Team itself comprises nine volunteers who have worked on The Poll in its current format since 2012. We are unpaid and totally independent. The results are in the formats of: * Most Wanted * Category-by-Category * Top-to-Bottom * Top-to-Bottom – New Entries Only (a new result for you this year, showing where the 112 new items came in) We always seem to have one or two people who will exclaim such as: “The LCDDRR Ventilated Donut Van has polled 30 more votes this year – it must be a fiddle!” There are many reasons why we get slight year-on-year fluctuations and we have listed some below…but The 00 Team puts more store by how items fare relatively and whether they stay within High, Medium or Low Polling. A number have been in The Top 50 for years. * Industrial and Underground categories have gone, removing 43 items * 18 announced items have been deleted * These deletions have freed up 14 places in the Top 50 * 112 new items have gone in * Some items have been ‘combined’ this year whilst others have been ‘split’ * Freight has been split from three categories to four, which could have affected how voters saw items * General Railway Service has been split from one category to two, which could have affected how voters saw items * Press Releases have gone out but may not have been received or acted upon * We know of some magazines that heavily supported us last year, but have not done so this year due to quarterly publication dates being too early or too late. * Conversely, we weren’t in some last year but are this year. * Just one club of c.35 members all voting for one item can propel it from top end of Low Polling one year to bottom end of High Polling the next (or vice versa if they don’t vote) * Certain categories are more ‘popular’ with voters than others * New announcements might have a positive – or negative – effect on votes for items (for example, the SECR D Class was announced during the currency of The Poll. Some may already have voted.) * Some might be encouraged to vote if they perceive an increase in announcements of certain eras etc. But others may be ‘losing hope’ and stop voting for other time-frames * An item that has been ‘restored’ and has received publicity may well have an impact on voters * Items that have recently featured prominently in magazine articles etc may have an impact on voters We hope you will find the results interesting and that the makers keep providing us with the now so often excellent models with which we can further enjoy our modelling! The 00 Poll Team Neil Burgess, Robert Carroll, John Lewis, Jeff Lynn, Brian Macdermott, Chris Knowles-Thomas, Nick Stanbury, Ian Taylor and Glen Woods 1. Results - The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 - Most Wanted.pdf 2. Results - The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 - By Category.pdf 3. Results - The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 - Top-to-Bottom.pdf 4. Results - The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 - Top-to-Bottom New Entries Only.pdf 4 23 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The SR and its groups have done rather well there, if manufactures do use the poll to influence their product announcements, the next few years could get very expensive for me! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ian J. Posted November 8, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 8, 2019 The U and Q have polled highly again. Hopefully both will finally get done soon, but if I had to choose which first, it would be the U. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Burgess Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Fantastic job, guys - thank you! 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) . I am surprised that the LBSCR K-Class was 50 odd votes further back from the U- and Q-classes, but as said the Southern area did vote well. Anyway, good luck to everyone with their choices, and thank-you to the polling team. . Edited November 8, 2019 by phil gollin 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, GreenGiraffe22 said: The SR and its groups have done rather well there, if manufactures do use the poll to influence their product announcements, the next few years could get very expensive for me! Hello GreenGiraffe This is partly to do with the fact that 14 places in The Top 50 have become available this year. It has meant that a number of locos have moved up the pecking order consistently with previous year's results. The SECR 01 was just one vote outside The Top 50 in 2018. The SR L1 was just two votes outside. The D1 & E1 were just 10 votes outside. The W and C2X were just over 20 votes outside. I suspect the SECR D would have been up there had it not been announced during the currency of The Poll. It was taking a fair percentage of the SR loco votes until a few days after the announcement. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, phil gollin said: I am surprised that the LBSCR K-Class was 50 odd votes further back from the U- and Q-classes, but as said the Southern area did vote well. Hello Phil The K polled 280 votes this year. In 2018, it polled 281. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 The U class and the manor class doesn’t surprise me. Both are go anywhere designs and the manor has a lot of components in the manufacture existing range and the U class is the only Maunsell SR design still to do that had large numbers. But the real surprise in the poll is the USATC 160. But it is a handsome design and I do hope it gets made. big James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) Hello James The USATC S-160 has been in The Top 50 since 2014 and has consistently moved up year on year. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) Edited November 8, 2019 by BMacdermott spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 It will be a brave manufacturer who does the USATC-160. Only really in use in the UK from late 1943 (?) to 1945 (and, of course, on preserved railways). But the scope for WW2 railways is presumably there from the number of votes. MAYBE if they did 1n "OO" one and then another with an HO body ???? . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 Hello Phil A personal observation from me without Poll Team hat on. The Warflats etc seem to have sold very well. Perhaps a link there? Brian 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 I must admit I'm a little surprised by the non-placement of Class 455 EMUs and relatively how low the Class 317/318s are. They must have been everyday units for an awful lot of people Should they possibly be grouped together in the same way as the '313/314/315 and 507/508' because there must be an awful lot of commonality between them although perhaps less so than PEP types where the dual-voltage Class 313s tie-ing the types together. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 22 minutes ago, Tony Burgess said: Fantastic job, guys - thank you! Many thanks Tony - appreciated! To quote the comedian, Tom Allen: Nothing says 'fun' like an Excel Spreadsheet! Brian 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted November 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Big James said: The U class and the manor class doesn’t surprise me. Both are go anywhere designs and the manor has a lot of components in the manufacture existing range and the U class is the only Maunsell SR design still to do that had large numbers. big James The problem with the U Class is that, whilst they all looked similar to the casual observer, there were several sub-classes (4 IIRC) that differed quite significantly from one another in various dimensions. To further complicate matters, some examples of all received new (different) frames under BR ownership. Tooling up to produce all, or even most of them, would be complex and expensive. The obvious alternative, picking one variant and ignoring the rest would not, I suspect, meet with universal approval. John Edited November 8, 2019 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 FIX - no Fell in the top polling - I didn't vote for it but I expected everyone else to Good works chaps, it looks like another comprehensive list for the manufacturers to look through. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, GordonC said: I must admit I'm a little surprised by the non-placement of Class 455 EMUs and relatively how low the Class 317/318s are. They must have been everyday units for an awful lot of people Should they possibly be grouped together in the same way as the '313/314/315 and 507/508' because there must be an awful lot of commonality between them although perhaps less so than PEP types where the dual-voltage Class 313s tie-ing the types together. Hello GordonC Both types are (reasonably) consistently positioned over the years and this year is no exception. I'll put the possible combination on the Agenda although it's outside my sphere of knowledge, so I can't comment here. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 Good work as ever, but never content, I couldn't see anything for the 'in need of a new model' option. Has my eye just skated over it in the four PDF's, or is that yet to come? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 (edited) The announcement mid-poll of the SECR D class has possibly scrambled the South Eastern 4-4-0 picture. Lovely though the D class addition will be, it didn't survive long enough into BR days to satisfy the needs of BR SR modellers who really need a 4-4-0 from the D1, E1, L, L1 range. The D1 is currently leader in this poll but perhaps we should get behind one or other next year as the vote is currently split between types. Another useful poll. Thanks to the Team. Edited November 8, 2019 by Forester Punctuation 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Good work as ever, but never content, I couldn't see anything for the 'in need of a new model' option. Has my eye just skated over it in the four PDF's, or is that yet to come? Hello 34C It's only in download No.2: Results Category-by-Category (towards the end). Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 So it was a 'random splatter' in section 21. I can see both diesels mentioned getting new models willy nilly, because the BR main line traction diesel fleet is 'done', so any competitor looking to expand their range in this area is forced to duplicate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, Forester said: The announcement mid-poll of the SECR D class has possibly scrambled the South Eastern 4-4-0 picture. Lovely though the D class addition will be, it didn't survive long enough into BR days to satisfy the needs of BR SR modellers who really need a 4-4-0 from the D1, E1, L, L1 range. The D1 is currently leader in this poll but perhaps we should get behind one or other next year as the vote is currently sp;it between types. Another useful poll. Thanks to the Team. Hello Forester Bear in mind that all four you mention are in the high end of High Polling. Pretty consistent positioning over the years. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: So it was a 'random splatter' in section 21. I can see both diesels mentioned getting new models willy nilly, because the BR main line traction diesel fleet is 'done', so any competitor looking to expand their range in this area is forced to duplicate. Hello 34C It was indeed - just as we expected. As noted, we went into the subject 'eyes wide open' having had a fair amount of experience. We wanted to give people the chance to vote, but it doesn't lead to anything very constructive...and it won't be repeated in future years. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 8, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 Once again we must thanks the team and Andy Y for their hard work in listing and preparing the poll, and such quick analysis of so much data in multiple digestible formats across 4 pdfs. I am sorry that only 2511 people bothered to vote, since I see the poll as being of interest to many more people across our hobby. That number represents a very small % of RMwebbers, let alone magazine and other media readers whom we might expect to take an interest, and whom we know the team makes strenuous efforts to outreach. The fact that a rather obscure and never numerous class of loco from overseas topped the poll tells us something. Since I believe an example roams the preserved rails these days, and is quite different in appearance from mainstream UK loco design, the influence of the preservation sector in our hobby is proved yet again. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted November 8, 2019 Share Posted November 8, 2019 1 minute ago, BMacdermott said: Hello Forester Bear in mind that all four you mention are in the high end of High Polling. Pretty consistent positioning over the years. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) Quite so. The D1 does seem to be pulling clear of the other SE 4-4-0s this year. My impression in previous polls was a closer clustering (maybe you could confirm that - or otherwise). If so, we SE 4-4-0 fans need to get behind the D1 next year. All I'm saying is the demand for a useful BR SE 4-4-0 is stonger than the current split vote suggests and the D class possibly won't satisfy it, nice though a pretty SECR or a (scrapline? does that sound ungrateful? - sorry!) early BR version will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 8, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 8, 2019 Thanks Ian We are at a loss as to how we might attract more voters. Suggestions welcomed. Brian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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