ozzyo Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Do any one of you think it's fair to compare a fifty year old "toy" to a modern CAD "toy". I'd say that the die cutters that made the moulds for the H/D model did a good job for that time. I'd like to see what the same people could do with all of the modern gear. OzzyO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Do any one of you think it's fair to compare a fifty year old "toy" to a modern CAD "toy". I'd say that the die cutters that made the moulds for the H/D model did a good job for that time. I'd like to see what the same people could do with all of the modern gear. OzzyO. No, its not. I can remember when my dad got me the HD version, back in the 1970's after I saw TDB968006, aka D5705, at Bristol Temple Meads. That model saw only limited use on our layout because it was heavy and as Arthur has noted it drew alot of power, not to mention that when it did run it made a growling noise that upset my mum because it was so loud. With this Heljan version I guess the HD version will be retired, although I will keep it. However I do admit that I have thought about reworking it but as it is in original condition it may be best to put it on display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Do any one of you think it's fair to compare a fifty year old "toy" to a modern CAD "toy". Fair or vaild? If we didn't compare things how would we measure progress? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Fair or vaild? If we didn't compare things how would we measure progress? OK, valid maybe a fair point. but as I said if the die cutters of fifty years ago had the modern tools how much better would the model be now? The skill was in the hands of the M/C man not a computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 OK, valid maybe a fair point. but as I said if the die cutters of fifty years ago had the modern tools how much better would the model be now? The skill was in the hands of the M/C man not a computer. Fair point indeed, and well made sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 If your HD CoBo drew a lot of power it was very likely to be a degraded magnet. I changed such a HD magnet in a CoBo for one of the Super Neo magnets, the loco was transformed, it will pull a house down and for slow shunting speed operation the loco will crawl but at the same time generate high torque which means stalling is very rare. The CoBo Crossley diesel engines were very unreliable, but I read that while they serving penance at Barrow, the crews knew how to get the best out of them and they became decent enough work horses, there is an incident in a book, a driver of a Cobo received an instruction from a Traction Inspector riding in the cab, to notch up to full power, the driver challenged the instruction which was reaffirmed and dutifully acted upon, a few miles later the Crossley seized! I am lucky in that I have seen a CoBo at work, standing on the footbridge to Carnforth shed in 1967 or 68, a CoBo pulling a train of oil tanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 My new class 28 arrived today, very nice. Got the blue D5701 version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) a little bit off topic. does anyone know how progress of the restoration of the real thing is coming along? the website hasnt been updated for about a year. Edited January 23, 2014 by Michael Delamar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) Inspired by reading this thread, I ordered a Neomagnet for my HD version on Thursday, which arrived this morning and has now been fitted. Result - performance transformed and bags of power for longish trains on my gradients. Like Arthur's mine had a strip and respray some years ago, along with a bit of detailing. I didn't however change the wheels, and whatever HD variant they are they run fine on Peco code 75, with just the odd clunk on points. As part of the process of fitting the new magnet, and taking the motor assembly to bits, I was really struck by the quality of the construction - such as screws made of decent metal that go into threaded holes in metal castings. There's no reason with a bit of TLC that the loco shouldn't last for another 40 or so years - longer than me no doubt! - but I wonder if this will also be true of today's offering by Heljan - excellent as it is in terms of detail? Thanks to all of you in the thread for showing the way! John Tomlinson. Edited January 25, 2014 by John Tomlinson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yes John, they're well made and built to last. Where did you get the neomagnets from?, I'll try that with mine, it's a model I intend to keep using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 Yes I am interested in changing the magnets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Tomlinson Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) The Neomagnets came from a supplier on ebay, Eyespydublo, www.ebay.co.uk/sch/eyespydublo/m.html . Alternatively www.superneomagnets.co.uk should give a direct link. There are different magnets for different locos and he seems to carry a range. The one for the CoBo is apparently also the one that suits the Deltic. I have edited this post several times as the links didn't work, I think it now does! John. Edited January 26, 2014 by John Tomlinson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Thanks John, I'll follow that up. Edit. Bought one via the eBay link. Edited January 26, 2014 by Arthur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbb Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 In the pics above the 'face' of Arthurs excellent detailed/conversion D5702 looks better or more convincing than the Heljan one below ...or is it my fading eyesight?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 (edited) In the pics above the 'face' of Arthurs excellent detailed/conversion D5702 looks better or more convincing than the Heljan one below ...or is it my fading eyesight?? The HD loco with flush glazing and weathering does have a presence. The Gibson wheels make a big difference, the Heljan model rewheeled to 18.83 may make a quantum leap in appearance The HD model lacks underframe details, the simple representation of the battery boxes is very poor, S/H prices of the HD model were always high £75 - 100 25 years ago,, a discouragement to many to take a hacksaw to the body some versions of the Hatton models are down to £89. Iam happy to own examples from both makers. Edited January 29, 2014 by Pandora Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbb Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hello Pandora -would not disagree with a word of what you say, but would add that the ends of the HD class 28 where the roof meets the front looks more rounded and prototypical than the Heljan model. Incidentally Heljans class 58 always looked too 'flat' overall as well,though they have made some good 'uns too in case you think I am Heljan bashing! Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted March 2, 2014 Share Posted March 2, 2014 Train 409 (D5703) by bestshotbruce, on Flickr 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Great to hear praises of the HD model... it was way ahead of its time ,and as mentioned really good with flush glazing. As many will know its a noisy model,i have found that cork squares as used to protect mirrors and glass are brilliant sound mufflers and just the right size being postage stamp sized. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 (edited) Can anyone offer advice on removing the body on the Heljan C0 B0, I am attempting to fit a decoder to one and have founf it seems impossible to remove the body, I have followed the instructuions to the letter ( ie insertin credit card at the 4 corners and then parting the body sides, grasping the battery box on removing the body, but it just wont come off!! The daft thing is i did a C0 B0 some months back without problems, and have fitted decoders to several Heljan locos without problems, it almost seem that this one's body is glued in place!! Edited March 9, 2014 by Stevelewis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 (edited) Having um'ed and ar'ed too long back in 2011 and missed out at Hattons, I managed to pick up the blue weathered version at TrainWest today courtesy of Modelmania - didn't twig it was s/hand until getting home and needing to shovel the dust off its roof Anyway - it's a lovely thing and I'm very happy with it Edited April 12, 2014 by Southernman46 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 12, 2014 Share Posted April 12, 2014 Anyone out there got a couple of CO-BO headcode discs they don't want please ? - closed or open either would be good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Slightly off track, but has anyone built or have pictures of a ''Q'' kits class 28 ? ( I have bought a complete kit with motor etc.....knowing that it will be rather like an MTk challenge, partially as it was a bargain and never having seen one before... May be a reason for that ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) Finally have my HD class 28 with me. Stood it next to the Heljan version and had a good look at them. No need to go into detail about the differences but it has got me wanting to get the HD working again. Need new wheels and a neomagnet. Edited September 25, 2014 by jsp3970 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 Slightly off track, but has anyone built or have pictures of a ''Q'' kits class 28 ? ( I have bought a complete kit with motor etc.....knowing that it will be rather like an MTk challenge, partially as it was a bargain and never having seen one before... May be a reason for that ! Oh, I did, about 20 years ago...I built a chassis for it from plasticard, iirc. I did get the thing to run using the 'as supplied' motors, but they didn't last long, and it was put away 'for a rainy day rebuild' which I've never got round to... As for the castings supplied...*shudders at the memory*. A lot of work was needed, that's for sure. If I do try & resurrect it I'll probably use a modern power unit, although the High Level Kits gearboxes are definitely an option too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Mark,many thanks...gives me good food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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