RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 I was wondering how the pannier would take water and coal at the same time; the hose would reach the far tank as it stands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) Strictly speaking the arm on the water crane should be at 90° to the track when swung right out as this will cover the tank filler on tender engines, however in your case as space is cramped position the pannier and a 45xx on the pit road by the coal stage and then work out the position for the water crane. This may well work out at an angle of 45° - the balloon tank at Buckfastleigh is on the short bit of platform on the runround loop and is at 45° to fill a WD Austerity 0-6-0 and a tender engine Edited February 28, 2022 by John Besley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold longchap Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 hours ago, Graham T said: Hi Graham, I have to mention the elephant in the room. What is the rationale for siting the coal stage right alongside the ash pit? It seems counter intuitive for practicality and safety reasons and I cannot find a prototype for it, but if you have, please let me know and I’ll rest easier! Best, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) On 28/02/2022 at 11:33, longchap said: Hi Graham, I have to mention the elephant in the room. What is the rationale for siting the coal stage right alongside the ash pit? It seems counter intuitive for practicality and safety reasons and I cannot find a prototype for it, but if you have, please let me know and I’ll rest easier! Best, Bill Hi Bill. That particular question did get thrashed around a few pages back. I recalled reading somewhere that it wasn't good practice to have ash pits next to coaling stages. Since the ash pit is now fixed in place, and I really don't want to start lifting and moving track again, I could move the coal stage onto the turntable road, as in these pics. The water crane would work as I have it shown there I think, or alternatively I could move the crane to just outside the engine shed. As always, very grateful for any comments and opinions please Edited April 1, 2022 by Graham T 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Is that a Late, Mucky and Slow loco I see there? I feel less guilty for having one myself now.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Not 100% certain but I seem to recall that the shed at Brixham, which had one of those combined water tank and coaling stages right outside the door had its ash pit alongside. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 Thanks Rob, I'll see if I can find out more about Brixham. This is becoming a bit of an ordeal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Is that a Late, Mucky and Slow loco I see there? I feel less guilty for having one myself now.... It is indeed one of the "Late Mondays and Saturdays" finest. I actually have four - the Jinty, a tender 3F, a Compound, and one of the late Moguls. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2022 The coal stage is much better in that position, plus with the water crane adjacent to both roads - works for me at least! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold longchap Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: Not 100% certain but I seem to recall that the shed at Brixham, which had one of those combined water tank and coaling stages right outside the door had its ash pit alongside. Well spotted. The only photo I've found (web based) is indistinct, but there could well be a pit there. Unfortunately, the shed was closed in 1929, so does not appear in the detailed E Lyons GWR shed survey, as at 1947, but it does seem to be atypical, which in itself has a certain nostalgic/fatalistic appeal. Edited February 28, 2022 by longchap Custard dumplings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold longchap Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 The ash pit is right where it needs to be Graham, no problems there and I agree with Neal that Plan B to place coaling on the TT road is the way to go and it’s also prototypical. Bill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 Thanks for all the inputs gents, really helpful as always. Now I need to get the various items fixed down! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold GWR57xx Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 That looks wrong to me, but I’m no expert and it’s your railway. An engine standing there to coal up is going to block the turntable. If you want examples of ash pits next to coal platforms try Ashburton, Bodmin (original, not as now preserved), Marlow. There are many more examples… Your railway, choose whichever you prefer. There will be a prototype for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 23 minutes ago, GWR57xx said: That looks wrong to me, but I’m no expert and it’s your railway. An engine standing there to coal up is going to block the turntable. If you want examples of ash pits next to coal platforms try Ashburton, Bodmin (original, not as now preserved), Marlow. There are many more examples… Your railway, choose whichever you prefer. There will be a prototype for it! Do you have any photos you could share please, or links to same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 This shot, borrowed for illusrtration purposes, shows Marlow. Right to left is ash pile, ash pit with coal wagon over it and the coaling stage behind the wagon. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold GWR57xx Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Graham T said: Do you have any photos you could share please, or links to same? The examples I have are all from books and it would break forum and copyright rules to post them here, sorry. References: The Marlow Branch, Karau & Turner, Wild Swan Sheds In Camera, Griffiths, OPC Great Western Steam On Shed, Bradford Barton More Great Western Steam On Shed, Bradford Barton 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neal Ball Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2022 38 minutes ago, GWR57xx said: That looks wrong to me, but I’m no expert and it’s your railway. An engine standing there to coal up is going to block the turntable. If you want examples of ash pits next to coal platforms try Ashburton, Bodmin (original, not as now preserved), Marlow. There are many more examples… Your railway, choose whichever you prefer. There will be a prototype for it! Given the traffic levels, I think it will be ok to block the turntable road…. I doubt there would be a queue of locos trying to turn at the same time. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 I have pictures of all of them in books too, but was uncertain about copyright, even if I credit them, hence the internet picture with the big watermark. If they don't want me to borrow it for any reason, why give me the option to download it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MrWolf said: This shot, borrowed for illusrtration purposes, shows Marlow. Right to left is ash pile, ash pit with coal wagon over it and the coaling stage behind the wagon. Thanks very much Rob, that's a really useful photo. And reminds me that I must put posts in next to the shed doors (if I ever get round to putting it in place...) Edited February 28, 2022 by Graham T spooling 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, GWR57xx said: The examples I have are all from books and it would break forum and copyright rules to post them here, sorry. References: The Marlow Branch, Karau & Turner, Wild Swan Sheds In Camera, Griffiths, OPC Great Western Steam On Shed, Bradford Barton More Great Western Steam On Shed, Bradford Barton Thanks, I don't have any of those unfortunately. A trip to Amazon may be in my near future, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 So, it seems that there really is a prototype for everything Perhaps I'll just toss a coin to make the decision for me? Or more likely, I will just go with whatever I think looks best to me. Whatever, thanks again to you all for the contributions. All really helpful for someone like me who knows next to nothing about the actual railway... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 You can never have enough reference books. I bought three more on Sunday. Secondhand GWR books, even those that aren't just potted history general interest titles are dirt cheap at preserved railways 'oop north! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham T Posted February 28, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, MrWolf said: You can never have enough reference books. I bought three more on Sunday. Secondhand GWR books, even those that aren't just potted history general interest titles are dirt cheap at preserved railways 'oop north! Would love to get some of those, but the travel costs from here would probably outweigh the savings made on the books... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold GWR57xx Posted February 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Graham T said: Thanks, I don't have any of those unfortunately. A trip to Amazon may be in my near future, I think. Great Western Branch Line Terminii, Paul Karau, OPC either Volumes 1&2 or the Combined Edition are great. Ashburton appears in V2 along with a clear photo and description of the ash pit. Several of the other stations featured also might have had ash pits in front of the coal platform but there aren’t good photos showing it - the photos tend to be taken from ground level rather than above, and since the ash pit is below track level and weren’t of particular interest to the photographer they don’t show up. edit: and the photos usually show an engine over the piece of track of interest to this discussion! Edited February 28, 2022 by GWR57xx 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, Graham T said: Would love to get some of those, but the travel costs from here would probably outweigh the savings made on the books... Very true, but eBay sellers such as worldofbooks have some good titles at low prices. I do the same as most people I expect, type in a title and hit the "lowest price first" option. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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