4608 Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) This thread was affected by the data losses in March 2022 and so i have restored those parts that are of use to others. I think I solved my roof questions. I started building this Flying Scotsman Diagram 23A coach from the Kirk 4mm kit. There were a couple of issues I could not then sort which I think I solved. Rather than re-edit the whole thread I will just post back some of the missing pictures. A view inside of the cocktail bar and some third class compartments. Edited April 19, 2022 by 4608 10 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4608 Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) The Isinglass drawing shows cylinders with gauges underneath the coach. The one on the corridor side looks just like a standard vacuum cylinder air reservoir apart from the gauge and the one on the compartment side is much larger and also has the gauge. What is the purpose of these and is the one on the corridor side in fact just a standard vacuum cylinder air reservoir but with a gauge for some reason? Second question is about the toilet filler and roof handrails. I have only found one photo of this, actually in 1928 condition, and this shows the following: (not reproduced in full for copyright reasons) Edited March 31, 2022 by 4608 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4608 Posted July 14, 2021 Author Share Posted July 14, 2021 (edited) The best I can make out is that the grab handle and toilet water filler would be positioned in the following sketch. And presumably the north end is a mirror image. But, this does not account for a second grab handle. Was there one? This coach was adapted from a diagram 23 and any pictures of that do not clarify. Anyone got any thoughts here please? Edited March 31, 2022 by 4608 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4608 Posted August 23, 2021 Author Share Posted August 23, 2021 (edited) Some tweaking of the original design has been required as I found new pictures from the National Railway Museum collection: https://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10705929&itemw=4&itemf=0015&itemstep=271&itemx=276 https://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10685295&itemw=4&itemf=0003&itemstep=1&itemx=1 Making good progress though... Edited March 31, 2022 by 4608 15 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4608 Posted November 19, 2021 Author Share Posted November 19, 2021 (edited) Making good progress. Still working on what the layout of the ends of the roof look like... Edited March 31, 2022 by 4608 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SVR C & W Posted November 21, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2021 If the toilet filler pipes are the same as other Gresleys. All of ours at the SVR, except 7960 have the filler pipes running horizontially along the end of the vehicle at solebar level, turning upwards when it reaches the gangway and then curving into the body just below the roof line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kirk Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 (edited) Good to see something of mine being put to good use so long after I made it. The tank fillers were originally on the roof. on the prototype there was steps on the end and a step on the roof each end. I did not put that on the roof mould as the full brakes didn't have them and it gave good modellers something to do (I notice that Phoenix have moulded them on their new roof). I think that the removal of steps from the end and the filling pipes down the end came in with electrification and although fitted in preservation were not on the originals. I produced this type as it was the last kit I needed to cover the entire 1926 Flying Scotsman set. I produced some factory assembled/painted sets in glass fronted display boxes. The advert stated that the first set ordered would be delivered by a flying Scotsman. I duly flew the first set down and met the customer at Halfpenny green airfield. Unfortunately for me I didn't get the intended free advertising in the RM as the photograph of me handing the kit over in front of my Cessna did not come out properly. The negative was fogged as I must have put the camera through an x ray security. Photographs of me setting off were taken on a different camera and came out fine. best wishes, Ian Edited November 22, 2021 by Ian Kirk attach scan 9 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 https://www.steve-banks.org/publications/94-articles-index/lner-articles/lner-coaches/93-lner-coaches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 22, 2021 Share Posted November 22, 2021 Well I'm still picking them up as and when I can find them. Without paying some of the eyewatering prices you sometimes see on eBay. The photos above show I'm not wasting my time. Excellent work. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4608 Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) I have finally figured out what I think is the roof ventilator and filler pattern at each end by looking at the photo and drawing lines on a plan. It is not symmetrical. The north end is the one where the toilet stayed the same and the south end the one that was rebuilt. My best guess is the roof looked like this with end ventilators off centre and one filler off centre too... Edited March 31, 2022 by 4608 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
4608 Posted December 17, 2021 Author Share Posted December 17, 2021 (edited) So, with painting and lifting dates applied, finally calling it finished! Edited April 19, 2022 by 4608 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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