RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2019 26 minutes ago, 30801 said: Of course they are. You want to make everyone pay road tax? Exactly that’s never going to get off the ground. Smart meters.......that’s their purpose.....oh no, hang on they are so the consumer can save money 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2019 With regard to the government clawing some of the RFL back by means of EV applications, bear in mind that EV charging circuits are separated from the rest of the house feeds, so who says that there won't be more than one smart meter? Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, Enterprisingwestern said: With regard to the government clawing some of the RFL back by means of EV applications, bear in mind that EV charging circuits are separated from the rest of the house feeds, so who says that there won't be more than one smart meter? You can do your day to day driving just fine from a 13A socket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2019 44 minutes ago, 30801 said: You can do your day to day driving just fine from a 13A socket. , at the moment, but moves are afoot! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: With regard to the government clawing some of the RFL back by means of EV applications, bear in mind that EV charging circuits are separated from the rest of the house feeds, so who says that there won't be more than one smart meter? Mike. The EVSE units supplied now have to be “smart” as well, they can communicate over WiFi so the new Smart meters will have no problem at all knowing when an EVSE is being used. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: , at the moment, but moves are afoot! Mike. Do tell, I’ve heard nothing about this and I cannot fathom how they would know I am charging my (off line) i3 from my domestic 13amp supply, I need to know so I can circumnavigate their efforts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 14 hours ago, 30801 said: You can do your day to day driving just fine from a 13A socket. Indeed, we do.....an overnight charge at 13 amps gives us another full 120-130 miles for the next day, not that we ever use anywhere near that of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, boxbrownie said: Do tell, I’ve heard nothing about this and I cannot fathom how they would know I am charging my (off line) i3 from my domestic 13amp supply, I need to know so I can circumnavigate their efforts Quite simple really, it's why "smart" meters are so named, they can be programmed to identify a overnight trickle charge and work out it's a vehicle being charged. As I said many moons ago in the Smart Meter thread, don't. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Vee have vays of making you pay. boxbrownie...your name iz also on ze list. . 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Quite simple really, it's why "smart" meters are so named, they can be programmed to identify a overnight trickle charge and work out it's a vehicle being charged. As I said many moons ago in the Smart Meter thread, don't. Mike. So because I leave a 1>2Kw heater on in my Mums room every night (while the central heatings off) I’ll get charged the same rate as my Granny charger (see what I did there? ) and have to pay RFL rates for warming my Mum? So heaven help the homes that have storage heaters...... I really do not think they will be able to differentiate between low amperage equipment usage, it’s the 7kw wall chargers that will show up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 50 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Vee have vays of making you pay. boxbrownie...your name iz also on ze list. . They’ll never find me down’ere.......we’re all bloomin’ Pirates.....arrrr Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 9 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: I really do not think they will be able to differentiate between low amperage equipment usage, it’s the 7kw wall chargers that will show up. You can fox it anyway with a smart plug and turn it on and off a bit randomly. You can't tax people on heuristics. It's just nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Also. Open source EVSE free of The Man. https://www.openevse.com/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, boxbrownie said: So because I leave a 1>2Kw heater on in my Mums room every night (while the central heatings off) I’ll get charged the same rate as my Granny charger (see what I did there? ) and have to pay RFL rates for warming my Mum? So heaven help the homes that have storage heaters...... I really do not think they will be able to differentiate between low amperage equipment usage, it’s the 7kw wall chargers that will show up. The problem with that theory is that when you've declared what appliances and loadings you run the meter will know what's what. We have a variation on that over here, all the appliance outputs are aggregated and we pay a potencia on the possible maximum current requirement. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted December 19, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, 30801 said: Also. Open source EVSE free of The Man. https://www.openevse.com/ Interesting, but works out at about £150-200 more than a normal EVSE after the grant is taken off, although apparently with the new Smart EVSE chargers a quick fiddle inside (disconnected of course!) will take the smarts down to a single figure IQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 (edited) The first Tesla V3 250kWh chargers are about to go live in the the UK. https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/electric/tesla-supercharger/ https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-7813477/Teslas-new-V3-faster-charger-Park-Royal-charge-15-minutes.html https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/tesla-launches-first-european-v3-superchargers-london ....and featured from around 12 minutes into this video... Fully Charged update - inc. Tesla V3 . Edited December 23, 2019 by Ron Ron Ron 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 increased road tax for ev 's in USA. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted December 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2019 3 hours ago, raymw said: increased road tax for ev 's in USA. Gosh, never saw that one coming.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
raymw Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Surely, you don't think that any gov. will let you have something for nothing? (or maybe just to tempt you into the trap). It will be quite a balancing act, but now we will be having the tech. to get payments however we want - 5G, smart meters, gps, etc. But bumping up road tax is pretty simple. In the uk, fuel tax is is 57.95 per litre. Assume you get 10 miles/per litre, and 10000miles per year, that'll be £579.50 equivalent road tax, to recover the fuel duty. We can't afford to lose 29billion gbp per year in road fuel duty. It will be quite feasible to tax based on roads driven, time of day, size of car, number in the vehicle, etc. All automatic, money taken before the journey is completed. And someone has to pay for the electricity supply reinforcement, additional generators, and so on. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted December 30, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2019 Please think back to the miracle fuel called diesel that was the answer to all our petrol woes. Then re-read my post with a very healthy does of sarcasm. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 7 minutes ago, raymw said: And someone has to pay for the electricity supply reinforcement, additional generators, and so on. That would be the electricity customers. I hope you're not suggesting using taxation to bolster private companies' assets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 The MG ZS EV gets a good ncap rating showing how far Chinese manufacturers have come. https://insideevs.com/news/390171/mg-zs-ev-5-star-euro-ncap/amp/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 Rumours of problems with Volkswagen’s ID3. Production has started for deliveries late Spring to early Summer, but there are rumours of production software not being ready and a stockpile of cars will build up, without that software. If true, this may delay initial deliveries for several months. The other rumour is that OTR pricing will be significantly higher than initially touted. Entry level trim and smaller battery capacity, at circa £26,000 is said to be way out the window. There’s speculation it could be anything up to £8,000 or £10,000 higher. Disclaimer: These are just rumours I’ve picked up from other web sites. Hopefully it’s not as bad as that, or it’s nonsense. Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted January 4, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Disclaimer: These are just rumours I’ve picked up from other web sites. Hopefully it’s not as bad as that, or it’s nonsense. If it's on the internet it must be true. Mike. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 13, 2020 Author Share Posted January 13, 2020 The AA calls on government to remove VAT on EV's. https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/scrap-vat-electric-cars-boost-sales/ https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/car-news/108827/government-urged-to-scrap-vat-on-electric-cars . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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