APOLLO Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, shady said: the noise of an engine and the whine of a turbo that some of us would miss, the younger generations wont miss what they never had. Sporting EVs can be fitted with a loudspeaker system playing recordings of Boris going Brrroom Brroom, with Starmer doing the Turbo whine !!!!!!! Brit15 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danemouth Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, APOLLO said: Sporting EVs can be fitted with a loudspeaker system playing recordings of Boris going Brrroom Brroom, with Starmer doing the Turbo whine !!!!!!! Brit15 I wonder if they do one ftted with a Pannier sound chip Dave 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 53 minutes ago, shady said: Look at as a good bit of greenwashing , one report suggests that porsche have only invested $24 million in that plant , their north american advertising budget is at least $100 million . They plan to run a GTR racing program with that fuel and can scream look at us we are green , most people wont know any better. Porsche currently plan on building 50% of their cars as ICE into the 2030's. It would be interesting to be on live TV and ask the question (accepting that lots of the worlds population could not even point to Chile on a map!!) "given that approx 60% of Chile's electricity is generated by burning , oil, coal and gas , would it not be more green to use the wind turbines being built for this project to simply put green electricity in to the Chilean grid ?" For the record I like 911's and lots of other sports cars (I don't own any), but I will not try and claim they are green. From an acceleration and handling point of view (you can spread the weight of the batteries) I can't see how you could beat an EV, but there is just something about the noise of an engine and the whine of a turbo that some of us would miss, the younger generations wont miss what they never had. Despite having an EV, I’m a petrol head at heart but like most, have never owned or driven a true sports car. The closest I got was a 2L Audi A3 that had a nice roar. The Tesla might not give any sound but does give the sports car thrust and power handling which is great fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 minute ago, Danemouth said: I wonder if they do one ftted with a Pannier sound chip Dave The Tesla model S in USA will play anything from your playlist I believe not sure if that copies across here or not 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold AndrueC Posted November 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, black and decker boy said: The Tesla model S in USA will play anything from your playlist I believe not sure if that copies across here or not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeEF4RAlNJQ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 57 minutes ago, AndrueC said: One of my golfing buddies has one of these: https://www.mg.co.uk/new-cars/new-mg-zs-ev That's a 'small family car' and it's range is very reasonable for that duty But not a small car which is why I don't have one. It's a metre longer than the Mii that I did get and that metre is the reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 3 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said: .....Do Porsche have a plan for BEV? Apart from the Taycan, which as 30801 say's has been out for nearly 2 years, Porsche will be releasing an all-electric Macan, based on one of the new VAG bespoke EV platforms (not the MEB). Note: the Macan (a sport SUV crossover) is Porsche's best selling model. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Just on the NW news that the NIMBYs want to ban cars from the Peak District in summer - oh why do we bother !!!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10203011/Lake-District-popular-Peak-District-BAN-tourist-cars.html https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/peak-district-could-ban-cars-6212717 The joys of motoring are rapidly disappearing. Brit15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted November 24, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2021 1 hour ago, APOLLO said: Just on the NW news that the NIMBYs want to ban cars from the Peak District in summer - oh why do we bother !!!! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10203011/Lake-District-popular-Peak-District-BAN-tourist-cars.html https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/peak-district-could-ban-cars-6212717 The joys of motoring are rapidly disappearing. Brit15 No doubt those same people would then be most upset if they themselves can't drive to get there... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 17 hours ago, Fenman said: I wrote “anti-EV arguments”, not anti-EV people, and nor did I criticise alternatives… Paul I haven't seen any anti-EV arguments on this thread. Were you referring to anti-EV arguments in general? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 12 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said: I've no doubt Hydrogen will have a large role to play, but it seems bats**t crazy to create a situation, where loads of energy needs to be used to create and distribute an intermediate source of energy (Hydrogen), when the same source energy (electricity) can be used directly and far more efficiently, without the unnecessary, artificially created extra stages. That's only true when you can actually use the source of renewable energy. A lot of the time there is nowhere to send it either because of reduced demand or insufficient transmission capacity. For example I frequently see wind farms where many of the turbines are idle. The advantage of converting renewable energy into hydrogen is that you can store energy on a massive scale and convert it into some other form in the future. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said: Apart from the Taycan, which as 30801 say's has been out for nearly 2 years, Porsche will be releasing an all-electric Macan, based on one of the new VAG bespoke EV platforms (not the MEB). Note: the Macan (a sport SUV crossover) is Porsche's best selling model. A group in the US did an EV range comparison. I didn't study it too closely but Porsche was one of the few that exceeded the expected range, by quite a bit too. IIRC they were comparing against the EPA (US Environmental Protection Agency) numbers. The test was based on driving at a constant 70 MPH. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/11/211104115245.htm 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold AndrueC Posted November 27, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2021 (edited) On 25/11/2021 at 00:50, AndyID said: That's only true when you can actually use the source of renewable energy. A lot of the time there is nowhere to send it either because of reduced demand or insufficient transmission capacity. For example I frequently see wind farms where many of the turbines are idle. The advantage of converting renewable energy into hydrogen is that you can store energy on a massive scale and convert it into some other form in the future. But for vehicles it imposes a greater strain on the electricity grid. Hydrogen ICE are only about 30% efficient so a fleet of hydrogen powered vehicles requires three times the electricity of an equivalent EV fleet. We need to be able to produce large quantities of hydrogen without significant inputs of electricity for it to be a viable alternative to full EV. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesmorris/2021/02/06/why-are-we-still-talking-about-hydrogen/ Edited November 27, 2021 by AndrueC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 A good look at a Rivian. Looks good. Has a bit more power than is strictly necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 VW and Audi expand their range of ID and e-tron EV's, with the larger VW ID.6 and Audi Q5 e-tron. Only for China at the present time, but rumoured to be heading to other markets in due course. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted November 29, 2021 Share Posted November 29, 2021 (edited) The shortlist for the European Car of the Year awards has just been revealed: and 6 of the 7 finalists are pure EVs. The times they are a-changin’… Paul Edited November 29, 2021 by Fenman Fat fongers 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Oh, and there's this: https://www.barrons.com/articles/gm-posco-ev-battery-supply-partnership-51638381203?siteid=yhoof2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 Want an EV but don't like technology? This has leaf springs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 6, 2021 Author Share Posted December 6, 2021 Time for my monthly update on UK new car registrations, hoping to chart the gradual shift in new car sales, towards EV and Hybrid vehicles. The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) figures for new car registrations during November 2021. 115,706 total new cars registered in Nov 2021 - that's slightly up 1,7%% on the same month last year (2020). Note, there were only 68,033 new cars registered in August this year .... ....followed by 215,312 new cars registered in September, a traditionally busy month, due to the registration plate change (71 plate this year) and sales picking up after the summer. Pure EV's (BEV) now account for double the sales of all diesel cars, both pure diesel and mild hybrid diesels. Combined diesel sales (inc. mild hybrid diesels) have totally tanked, accounting for only 9.6% of new registrations for Nov. (For comparison, in Oct it was 10.8% and last Nov 2020 it was 18.1% ) With just over 8 years before the 2030 ban on new sales comes into effect, Petrol and Diesel ICE new car sales combined (including mild hybrid versions of both), have fallen to less than two thirds of the market. Sales of Hybrid and Plug-in Hybrid have been overtaken by sales of pure electric BEV. Market share by fuel/power ........ Nov 2021 Diesel 5.1%. (down from 12.3% in Jan 2021) Mild-hybrid Diesel 4.5% (down from 6.9% in Jan 2021) Petrol. 43.3%. (down from 49.8% in Jan 2021) Mild-hybrid Petrol. 10.7%. (up from 9.8% in Jan 2021) Hybrid 8.3%. (up from 7.6% in Jan 2021) Plug-in Hybrid 9.3%. (up from 6.8% in Jan 2021) BEV (battery). 18.8%. (up from 6.9% in Jan 2021) The figures for BEV's have steadily grown from 2.7% in Jan 2020. 18.8% in Nov 2021 15.2% in Oct 2021 15.2% in Sep 2021 10.9% in Aug 2021 9.0% in Jul 2021 10.7% in Jun 2021 6.9% in Jan 2021 6.1% in Jun 2020 2.7% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Pure ICE (both Petrol & Diesel combined) now only accounting for 48.4% of the new car market (less than half). With (pure) diesel having fallen off a cliff and now only accounting for 5.1% of new registrations in Nov. A comparison with previous periods... 48.4%. in Nov 2021 52.1% in Oct 2021 48.8% in Sep 2021 50.8% in Aug 2021 51.9% in Jul 2021 54.5% in Jun 2021 62.1% in Jan 2021 76.3% in Jun 2020 80.5% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Combine the new Mild Hybrid ICE (both Petrol & Diesel) with pure ICE and the total ICE figures are... 63.6%. in Nov 2021 68.7% in Oct 2021 66.8% in Sep 2021 70.0% in Aug 2021 70.9% in Jul 2021 74.1% in Jun 2021 78.8% in Jan 2021 83.5% in Jun 2020 88.0% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) BEV, PHEV & Hybrid combined, accounted for 36.4% - i.e. more than a third of the new car market. 36.4%. in Nov 2021 31.2% in Oct 2021 33.2% in Sep 2021 30.1% in Aug 2021 28.9% in Jul 2021 25.9% in Jun 2021 21.3% in Jan 2021 16.5% in Jun 2020 11.9% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Separating out just the Hybrid's and Plug-in Hybrids, ....combined, these accounted for... 17.6%. in Nov 2021 16.0% in Oct 2021 18.0% in Sep 2021 19.2% in Aug 2021 19.9% in Jul 2021 15.2% in Jun 2021 14.4% in Jan 2021 10.4% in Jun 2020 9.2% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) The rate of changeover will continue to increase over the next 12 months, as more pure EV's are introduced in volume numbers, in addition to the increasing number of ICE cars that are being offered with the plug-in hybrid option. Supplies of all new cars continue to be constrained due to shortages of micro-chips and other sub-components. Several German car plants remain closed, or are operating with partial closures or reduced capacity. . 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted December 6, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2021 On 18/11/2021 at 12:42, PenrithBeacon said: I thought about one of those but the hassle of the special clothing in anything other than sunshine put me off. I can walk to anywhere where I would want one of these for with the added benefit of improving my physical fitness. An expensive toy. My colleague who lives in Copenhagen City center sold his car and bought one of these. https://www.fribikeshop.dk/prod/45-8422701/winther-kangaroo-luxe-shimano-steps-di2. Mind you it cost over £5000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Melrose Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 There's an interesting factor underlying the transition to BEVs. As sales of ICE (petrol and diesel) decline, manufacturers are going to have production facilities running at a loss so they will be eager to shut them down. Equally, those that have invested in BEV production facilities will be eager to get them up to full production to eliminate the losses they will be incurring at lower than full utilisation of these facilities. I expect a marketing blitz as reality hits the bottom lines of the car industry which will override customers' preferences - i.e. if you want a new car, it will be a BEV or nothing. In the meantime, those same manufacturers will be lobbying like mad for charging networks to be installed asap and everywhere. Stan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted December 7, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Stanley Melrose said: There's an interesting factor underlying the transition to BEVs. As sales of ICE (petrol and diesel) decline, manufacturers are going to have production facilities running at a loss so they will be eager to shut them down. Equally, those that have invested in BEV production facilities will be eager to get them up to full production to eliminate the losses they will be incurring at lower than full utilisation of these facilities. I expect a marketing blitz as reality hits the bottom lines of the car industry which will override customers' preferences - i.e. if you want a new car, it will be a BEV or nothing. In the meantime, those same manufacturers will be lobbying like mad for charging networks to be installed asap and everywhere. Stan I think most manufacturers have multiple factories, often dedicated to particular platforms, so I'd imagine they'd switch them over in time - so a company with three ICE factories in 2015 miught have 2 & 1 now, then 1 & 2 in 2025, before finally having all 3 producing EVs by 2030. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 21 hours ago, Vistisen said: My colleague who lives in Copenhagen City center sold his car and bought one of these. https://www.fribikeshop.dk/prod/45-8422701/winther-kangaroo-luxe-shimano-steps-di2. Mind you it cost over £5000. I would have thought that electric bikes are cold in weather like this. When I was a cyclist it was the effort put in that kept me warm. Just trundling about with a electric motor for power is a recipe for getting very cold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, PenrithBeacon said: I would have thought that electric bikes are cold in weather like this. When I was a cyclist it was the effort put in that kept me warm. Just trundling about with a electric motor for power is a recipe for getting very cold. Depends how much assistance you have on. You can dial it down if you're cold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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