Guest Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 No more i3 for you sirs. https://jalopnik.com/dead-bmw-i3-1848440061 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
idd15 Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 1 hour ago, 30801 said: No more i3 for you sirs. https://jalopnik.com/dead-bmw-i3-1848440061 That’s a shame really as it helped blaze the trail. Never understood why BMW did not do more with it, usual internal politics I guess? idd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 29, 2022 Author Share Posted January 29, 2022 21 hours ago, idd15 said: That’s a shame really as it helped blaze the trail. Never understood why BMW did not do more with it, usual internal politics I guess? idd Too expensive to make, getting a bit long in the tooth and being surpassed by a wide range of smaller family EV's that are coming down the road. BMW have the iX1 EV version of the new X1 on the way and the all-new next generation Mini will see new several EV versions, to address the space left by the i3. BMW also have future EV's in development. They showed their i-Vision Circular (silly name) concept city car at the Munich car show, last year. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 29, 2022 Share Posted January 29, 2022 I nearly bought one but the prospect of having a 17 year old drive it made the Mii more appealing. Since then we've acquired a large dog and the i3 doors would have been murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold AndrueC Posted January 29, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2022 (edited) On 26/01/2022 at 14:06, Ron Ron Ron said: Why is hydrogen no longer the fuel of the future? Because it's not as efficient. Two thirds of the energy is lost in manufacture, transportation and the internal combustion engine itself. A fleet of hydrogen cars will require three times the energy of an identical fleet of BEVs. That will also of course treble the Co2 emissions. Hydrogen only makes sense for HGVs and other large vehicles where the energy density wins out and there are fewer vehicles to fuel. Edited January 29, 2022 by AndrueC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 11 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said: What an ugly looking thing, get rid of stylists and bring back designers who understand what people need in real life! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 12 hours ago, AndrueC said: Because it's not as efficient. Two thirds of the energy is lost in manufacture, transportation and the internal combustion engine itself. A fleet of hydrogen cars will require three times the energy of an identical fleet of BEVs. That will also of course treble the Co2 emissions. Hydrogen only makes sense for HGVs and other large vehicles where the energy density wins out and there are fewer vehicles to fuel. I know that. That’s the question asked by the news article byline and answered in the text. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 On 26/01/2022 at 13:48, idd15 said: Nice success story and it’s British as well you know! Spirit of Innovation Funny to see all the old anti EV arguments trotted out yet again in the YouTube comments. Cest la vie! idd What is needed now is a Schneider trophy equivalent for the era of electric aircraft. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocor Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Ron Ron Ron said: I know that. That’s the question asked by the news article byline and answered in the text. . But as soon, we can open a portal directly on to the atmosphere of Jupiter, it will be game on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 16 hours ago, AndrueC said: Because it's not as efficient. Two thirds of the energy is lost in manufacture, transportation and the internal combustion engine itself. A fleet of hydrogen cars will require three times the energy of an identical fleet of BEVs. That will also of course treble the Co2 emissions. Hydrogen only makes sense for HGVs and other large vehicles where the energy density wins out and there are fewer vehicles to fuel. Burning hydrogen in an IC engine is not a brilliant idea. It does not exhaust CO2 but it does exhaust smog producing oxides of nitrogen. Fuel cells are much more efficient and the only exhaust is water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyID Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 1 hour ago, rocor said: But as soon, we can open a portal directly on to the atmosphere of Jupiter, it will be game on. No need to go that far. Some parts of Earth have far more green energy than they can possibly consume locally and currently no realistic means to export it. Converting it in to hydrogen is one way to solve that problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 30, 2022 Share Posted January 30, 2022 Looks like PHEVs are finally getting useful. This Range Rover can do all your regular running about on electric. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-range-rover-phev-brings-70-mile-ev-range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 12 minutes ago, 30801 said: Looks like PHEVs are finally getting useful. .... Similarly, the PHEV version of latest model Mercedes C-Class, is claimed to be able to do up to 62 miles on battery power. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/c-class/first-drives/mercedes-benz-c-class-c300e-2021-uk-review . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 COULD FAST CHARGING ELECTRIC CARS TURN OUT TO BE MORE PROFITABLE THAN PUMPING GAS? https://evannex.com/blogs/news/could-fast-charging-turn-out-to-be-more-profitable-than-pumping-gas . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium OnTheBranchline Posted February 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2022 So then we will have line ups at charging stations. The more things change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 Time for Ron's monthly update on UK new car registrations, hoping to chart the gradual shift in new car sales, towards EV and Hybrid vehicles. The Society of Motor Manufacturers & Traders (SMMT) figures for new car registrations during January 2022. 115,087 total, new cars registered in Jan 2022. That compares with 108,596 total new cars registered in Dec 2021 and 90,249 cars registered last Jan 2021. Sales of pure EV's (BEV) fell back in January, largely due to low shipment volumes by market leader, Tesla. Pure EV's (BEV) sold in slightly larger numbers than all diesels in January, which is a fallback from December, when they accounted for more than three times the sales of all diesel cars, both pure diesel and mild hybrid diesels. Combined diesel sales (inc. mild hybrid diesels) have totally tanked since their peak, at over 50% of the market, around 6 to 8 years ago. They accounted for only 8.4% of total new registrations in Dec 2021. This increased slightly to 10.2% in Jan 2022 For comparison, a year ago (Jan 2021) it was 19.2% With only 8 years to go before the 2030 ban on new sales comes into effect, Petrol and Diesel ICE new car sales combined (including mild hybrid versions of both), have fallen overall. In Dec 2021 they accounted for just over half of the market. In January, this recovered to 67.9% - just over two thirds. Sales of Hybrid and Plug-in Hybrid combined accounted for 19.6% of the market in Jan 2022, which is an increase on Dec 2021 The following statistics also show the recent, monthly trend up to Jan 2022, as well as mid point figures for Jan & Jun 2020 Market share by fuel/power ........ Jan 2022 Diesel 5.2%. (down from 12.3% in Jan 2021) Mild-hybrid Diesel 5.0% (down from 6.9% in Jan 2021) Petrol. 44.7%. (down from 49.8% in Jan 2021) Mild-hybrid Petrol 13.0%. (up from 9.8% in Jan 2021) Hybrid 11.7%. (up from 7.6% in Jan 2021) Plug-in Hybrid 7.9%. (up from 6.8% in Jan 2021) BEV (battery). 12.5%. (up from 6.9% in Jan 2021) The figures for BEV's have steadily grown from 2.7% in Jan 2020 and 6.9% in Jan 2021. Pure electric cars accounting for a quarter of all new sales in Dec 2021, dropping back to half of that in Jan 2022. 12.5%. in Jan 2022 25.5% in Dec 2021 18.8% in Nov 2021 15.2% in Oct 2021 15.2% in Sep 2021 10.9% in Aug 2021 9.0% in Jul 2021 10.7% in Jun 2021 6.9% in Jan 2021 6.1% in Jun 2020 2.7% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Pure ICE (both Petrol & Diesel combined) accounted for only half of the new car market, much lower than what it was 2 years ago.. Sales of (pure) diesel have fallen off a cliff, now only accounting for 5.2% of new registrations in Jan 2022. A comparison with previous periods... 49.9%. in Jan 2022 43.5%. in Dec 2021 48.4%. in Nov 2021 52.1% in Oct 2021 48.8% in Sep 2021 50.8% in Aug 2021 51.9% in Jul 2021 54.5% in Jun 2021 62.1% in Jan 2021 76.3% in Jun 2020 80.5% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Combine the new Mild Hybrid ICE (both Petrol & Diesel) with pure ICE and the total ICE figures are... 67.9%. in Jan 2022 58.8%. in Dec 2021 63.6%. in Nov 2021 68.7% in Oct 2021 66.8% in Sep 2021 70.0% in Aug 2021 70.9% in Jul 2021 74.1% in Jun 2021 78.8% in Jan 2021 83.5% in Jun 2020 88.0% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) BEV, PHEV & Hybrid combined, accounted for 32.1% - i.e. almost one third of the new car market. 32.1% in Jan 2022 41.2%. in Dec 2021 36.4%. in Nov 2021 31.2% in Oct 2021 33.2% in Sep 2021 30.1% in Aug 2021 28.9% in Jul 2021 25.9% in Jun 2021 21.3% in Jan 2021 16.5% in Jun 2020 11.9% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Separating out just the Hybrid's and Plug-in Hybrids, ....combined, these accounted for... 19.6%. in Jan 2022 15.7%. in Dec 2021 17.6%. in Nov 2021 16.0% in Oct 2021 18.0% in Sep 2021 19.2% in Aug 2021 19.9% in Jul 2021 15.2% in Jun 2021 14.4% in Jan 2021 10.4% in Jun 2020 9.2% in Jan 2020 (pre-Covid) Supplies of all new cars continue to be constrained due to shortages of micro-chips and other sub-components. BEV sales are also being constrained by the supply chain issues, with long delivery times on many models, as demand is growing fast. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted February 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2022 On 30/01/2022 at 09:12, Hobby said: What an ugly looking thing, get rid of stylists and bring back designers who understand what people need in real life! ...and the windsrean wiper goes where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 37 minutes ago, Vistisen said: ...and the windsrean wiper goes where? It doesn't need one. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted February 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2022 53 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: It doesn't need one. . Until the first time a bird craps on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 30 minutes ago, Vistisen said: Until the first time a bird craps on it! It won't. Clue... It's a concept design. Not a real car or proposal for a real car. Concepts like this are used to showcase design ideas, often pushing the boundaries and allowing design teams to play or experiment with using different or new materials. Sometimes they'll be fairly close, or loosely similar to actual cars that are in development and sometimes the concept design will be more of a far fetched, avant-garde one-off design experiment. The public showing of that BMW concept and the things BMW have been saying around it, has led to speculation that BMW are developing a new EV to fill the space that is currently occupied by their ICE powered 1 and 2 series, and their now discontinued i3 EV. I have no doubt, whatever they turn out, will have windscreen wipers. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted February 5, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said: It won't. Clue... It's a concept design. Not a real car or proposal for a real car. Concepts like this are used to showcase design ideas, often pushing the boundaries and allowing design teams to play or experiment with using different or new materials. Sometimes they'll be fairly close, or loosely similar to actual cars that are in development and sometimes the concept design will be more of a far fetched, avant-garde one-off design experiment. The public showing of that BMW concept and the things BMW have been saying around it, has led to speculation that BMW are developing a new EV to fill the space that is currently occupied by their ICE powered 1 and 2 series, and their now discontinued i3 EV. I have no doubt, whatever they turn out, will have windscreen wipers. . I do realise that But it has become a real problem for Musk's cybertruck: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/10/22828220/tesla-cybertruck-prototype-drone-shot-windshield-wiper-elon-musk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 5, 2022 Author Share Posted February 5, 2022 7 minutes ago, Vistisen said: I do realise that But it has become a real problem for Musk's cybertruck: https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/10/22828220/tesla-cybertruck-prototype-drone-shot-windshield-wiper-elon-musk More a concern with the lack of rear wipers on some modern cars. The Jaguar I-Pace, much praised Hyundai Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 are just 3 examples of cars with sloping, hatchback type rear windscreens, that have no rear wiper, or even the option to have one. The rational is 'aerodynamics", .....or at least the marketing b/s says so. The airflow deflects and draws away rain and dust particles blah, blah... No mention of a stationary car covered in rain, reversing or moving in slow traffic in rain. Nor having to clear a dirt or dust covered window. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Ron Ron Ron said: More a concern with the lack of rear wipers on some modern cars. The Jaguar I-Pace, much praised Hyundai Ionic 5 and Kia EV6 are just 3 examples of cars with sloping, hatchback type rear windscreens, that have no rear wiper, or even the option to have one. The rational is 'aerodynamics", .....or at least the marketing b/s says so. The airflow deflects and draws away rain and dust particles blah, blah... No mention of a stationary car covered in rain, reversing or moving in slow traffic in rain. Nor having to clear a dirt or dust covered window. . Whereas, of course, the airflow in reality does no such thing (at least on the Ioniq 5), as a glance at any number of Youtube videos will show. I have one and it's infuriating: the rear window is a real mud magnet here in rural Norfolk. Within a day of being cleaned the damn thing is opaque again. To add insult to injury, when you turn on the windscreen wipers a little confirmation panel appears in the dash confirming the setting of the "Front Wipers". WTF? There are no other wipers, so why the "Front"? Or was there a rear wiper during development that was then axed as a cost-cutting measure...? The "work around" is that you can use the reversing camera at any time. The problem is -- you've guessed it -- that's quite low down so also gets covered in mud. First World Problems? Yeah: otherwise it's a pretty near perfect car for my purposes. YMMV. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 3 hours ago, Fenman said: otherwise it's a pretty near perfect car for my purposes. YMMV. Not much use if you can't see out of the back in bad weather, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted February 5, 2022 Share Posted February 5, 2022 The model 3 doesn’t have a rear wiper but doesn’t seem to cause problems, I’ve not needed to clean the glass manually. I do need to clean the rear view camera every journey though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now