When did Intercity stop using Mk1s?

[nightstar.train]

On 03/12/2021 at 01:21, rodent279 said:

Being pedantic, mk BG's (luggage vans) survived in InterCity use until about 1988-9 on the WCML. Many received IC livery. 

 

Some lasted into the late 90s on the Scottish sleepers, until replaced by the Mk2e BUOs. 

[Pandora]

BR became Railtrack on 1st April 1994.

Excluding the SR EMUs , 1957 or 1963 stock, how long did those loco-hauled Mark 1 full brakes and buffet cars remain in service post-privatisation?

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Pandora

[Satan's Goldfish]

I don't know if it's the right type of service to op is looking for, but on one of the FaceBook picture groups i've seen several images of early 90s summer Saturday workings to Great Yarmouth from Midlands/Northern locations that still have the odd IC mk1 in the formation. The rest of the formation is a mish mash of blue/grey, NSE, and reggie rail mk2s with any available 47 (freight) on the front so they were probably sets made up from any available stock and i don't know if they would be classed as IC services or not.

[Oldddudders]

5 hours ago, Pandora said:

BR became Railtrack on 1st April 1994.

No it didn't. Railtrack simply took over track and infrastructure. The trains were owned by BR, and traincrew, station and depot staff remained BR employees, in many cases for at least two more years until the TOCs were launched. Then there were the infrastructure maintainers - engineers and support staff of various disciplines - all of whom were still employed by BR within the Infrastructure Service Units and Track Renewals Units within BRIS - British Rail Infrastructure Services. Their main customer was Railtrack under the RT1 contract. These units were sold during 1996. One or two parts of BR never were privatised, e.g. BR Property Board, which held the Burdensome Estate of closed lines and other bits of property Railtrack didn't want. 

[EddieK]

I transferred to Wembley Carriage Depot in August 1989. A month or two prior to this, set WB08 had a mishap where the Motor Alternator fell off the underside of one of the Mark 3 TSO vehicles. I don't think there was a derailment (but my memory is not the best) but most of the other TSOs in that set suffered damage to the bogies and underfloor equipment.

 

In order to get the set back into traffic, some Mark 1 TSOs were borrowed from the IC Special Trains people, and the resulting formation was

Mark 1 BG - 2x Mark 3a FO - Mark 3a RF - Mark 3a TSO (accessible toilet) - 5x Mark 1 TSO. 

 

WB08 was kept on an "out and back" diagram so that it returned to Wembley every night. 

 

Also, around 1989/90, I recall travelling to Crewe for some reason on (from memory) one of the sets WB01-03, which at that time had Mark 3a First Class and Buffet, but Mark 2f TSOs, but the set had a Mark 2 PV coach and a Mark 1 TSO in it. As I recall, the ride to Crewe in the Mark 1 was very comfy also very warm with the heater on full power beneath my seat.

[Steamport Southport]

Found my copy of the Platform Five book for 1996 (which says correct for 22/11/95). Useful book as it recorded liveries.

 

Just Mark Ones in Intercity livery and ignoring specials such as barrier vehicles and generator vans.

 

There was also still some in Blue/Grey but those seem to be in storage.

 

RBR  Lot 30628

 

1644     1645     1647     1649     1650     1652     1653     1655     1658       1659     1663     1666     1667      1671     1672     1673     1674     1675     1679     1683     1686     1689     1691      1692      1693     1697     1698      1699

 

RMB  Lots 30520/30507/30670/30702

 

1832     1842     1850     1853      1871      

 

 

RBR  Lot 30632

 

1966     1971

 

 

Charter Train Staff Coaches - Ex BCK Lot 30732

 

2833

 

 

FO  Lots 30576/30697/30717

 

3098     3107     3111     3114     3115     3118      3119     3120     3123     3124     3127     3134     3136     3140    3141     3143     3146     3148     3149     3150

 

 

TSO   Lots 30525/30646/30690

 

4842     4858     4869     4902     4909     4916     4925    4939     4949      4956     4959     4977     4986     4993     4998     4999     5001     5007     5010     5023     5027    5037     5040      5041     5042

 

 

FK   Lot 30667

 

13318      13341

 

 

BFK    Lot 30718

 

17023

 

BCK   Lots 30669/30732

 

21241     21246     21266     21268

 

 

RK   Lot 30628

 

80041

 

 

I will also ignore the BGs/GUVs etc unless someone wants me to post them. ISTR most were much modified by then.

 

 

 

Jason

Edited December 8, 2021 by Steamport Southport