Chris-ECT Posted August 31, 2022 Share Posted August 31, 2022 If this project is one on your list, or you have a pre-order with us, we will be taking all of our current samples to display this weekend at Guildex (Stafford Show Ground) Come along and ask the team for the latest info and updates on this and our other ECT projects! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted September 14, 2022 Author Share Posted September 14, 2022 Do you have any updates on the drophead buckeye coupling as one of the last posts that mentioned it was round about 11/8/22 OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-ECT Posted September 15, 2022 Share Posted September 15, 2022 On 14/09/2022 at 16:03, ozzyo said: Do you have any updates on the drophead buckeye coupling as one of the last posts that mentioned it was round about 11/8/22 OzzyO. Good evening OzzyO, The good news is they have been bumped up the production schedule as they are now going to be supplied Fitted to the next batches of Darstaed Thompson's instead of the Kadees. I will double check but I belive they are due to come into stock around the end of this month but as this gets confirmed I will pop back on here with a definitive answer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 (edited) On 12/08/2022 at 15:53, Chris-ECT said: This is something we looked at but if I am correct Kadee have patented their design, with this the main feature of our Buckeyes is the drophead feature, we are still looking into future options Kadee's patent on the Magnematic coupler ran out some years ago which is why clones such as McHenry and Bachman Ezimates are now around. Though Kadee's actual designs will be registered these clone couplers work on the same principle and are compatible with Kadees in terms of the actual coupler head and the position of the trip pin. However, for a 4mm scale drophead coupler the height above rail of the head itself will be greater as the height set for Kadees is based on the height of a standard American coupler head in HO scale (it's actually an NMRA standard and based on the AAR's prototype standard height which is lower than a European buffer beam) so you'd need a longer trip pin to use the magnets designed for Kadees and their clones. Edited September 16, 2022 by Pacific231G clarity 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted September 16, 2022 Share Posted September 16, 2022 6 hours ago, Pacific231G said: Kadee's patent on the Magnematic coupler ran out some years ago which is why clones such as McHenry and Bachman Ezimates are now around. Though their actual designs will be registered these couplers work on the same principle and are compatible with Kadees in terms of the actual coupler head and the position of the trip pin. for a 4mm scale drophead coupler the height above rail of the drophead itself will though be greater as that for Kadees are based on the height of a standard American coupler head in H0 scale (it's actually an NMRA standard and based on the AAR's standard prototype height which is lower than a European buffer beam) so you'd need a longer trip pin to use the magnets designed for Kadees and their clones. Interesting info. Longer trip pin not a problem for me and style of installation would solve so many problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted October 31, 2022 Author Share Posted October 31, 2022 Hello Chris, any news on the drop head buckeye couplings? A friend of mine will be at Warley show if you have my order, he could pick them up. Yours, OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 11, 2022 Author Share Posted November 11, 2022 Just had a message from a mate of mine about these and it's sounding good. Yours, OzzyO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 (edited) Hello all, spotted this on the ECT website now to get the card full of money. ECT Drophead Buckeyes now in Stock! (mailchi.mp) ATB OzzyO. PS. sorry about this but I can't past the direct link to the news page on ECTs. Edited November 12, 2022 by ozzyo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Clark Trains Posted November 15, 2022 Share Posted November 15, 2022 Good afternoon, Hope you're all keeping well! Good news - our Working Drophead Buckeye Couplings are now in stock and live on the website. You can read all about them/watch a little demo video on our website, or by clicking HERE. All the best, Ellis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 And very nice they are. Just need the extended trip pin version for uncoupling with Kadee couplings. Please 😀 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 9 hours ago, two tone green said: And very nice they are. Whaaaat??!!! Does this mean Ozzyo didn't get his first?? 😱🤣🤣🤣😉😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 12 hours ago, F-UnitMad said: Whaaaat??!!! Does this mean Ozzyo didn't get his first?? 😱🤣🤣🤣😉😉 No I had to fill up my card (I begged, borrowed and stole to get the money [I did not revert to mugging]) as my pension is not due till the end of the month, but with a bit of luck I'll get them today or Monday and show them fitted to my Pos that I'm building from a J.L.T.R.T. kit. ATB OzzyO. 😭😭 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 21 hours ago, two tone green said: And very nice they are. Just need the extended trip pin version for uncoupling with Kadee couplings. Please 😀 Forget the trip pin it will look daft and or get in the way when the buckeye is in the dropped position. Also, how often do you shunt coaches? I want them so I can change the front or rear coaches in a rake. ATB OzzyO. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 4 hours ago, ozzyo said: Forget the trip pin it will look daft and or get in the way when the buckeye is in the dropped position. Also, how often do you shunt coaches? I want them so I can change the front or rear coaches in a rake. ATB OzzyO. Don’t tell anyone but I use Kadee couplings on all my stock, wagons, coaches and locos. 🤫 Shunting without the hand of god is a pleasure. Dropping the heads is not something I am interested in so the trip pin is not a problem. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted November 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2022 Good afternoon :) I don't think we ever saw anything about uncoupling (with or without a bar)? Thank you :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted November 22, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2022 On 19/11/2022 at 16:09, two tone green said: Dropping the heads is not something I am interested in so the trip pin is not a problem. Been puzzling over this for a few days. If you dont need the drop feature, which I thought was the whole point of the new ones, why not just stick with kadees? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Hal Nail said: Been puzzling over this for a few days. If you dont need the drop feature, which I thought was the whole point of the new ones, why not just stick with kadees? It’s the hook fitting that fits into the buffer beam. So for a non drop head with trip pin would only need the portion of the hook that slides into the buffer beam. Kadee don’t make one 😔 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Hal Nail said: Been puzzling over this for a few days. If you dont need the drop feature, which I thought was the whole point of the new ones, why not just stick with kadees? Yep but function there!....Next up working vac brakes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pacific231G Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 29 minutes ago, two tone green said: It’s the hook fitting that fits into the buffer beam. So for a non drop head with trip pin would only need the portion of the hook that slides into the buffer beam. Kadee don’t make one 😔 They never will as their head and its pin is designed to be at the NMRA standard HO height of 0.391" which is more or less* the prototype height of 33" for American rolling stock. Even in H0 and certainly in 4mm scale that's much lower than the 1054 mm (41.5") centre height of a European buffer beam. * the prototype height is 33" + or - 1.5" (to allow for the difference between an empty and a fully loaded car). If you want to be really pedantic the NMRA HO coupler head height of 0.391" scales to 34" so relates to an empty car. Freight trains on model RRs are notoriously unprofitable 😆 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted November 22, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, bradfordbuffer said: Yep but function there!....Next up working vac brakes? That would suck. In a good way. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
two tone green Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Pacific231G said: They never will as their head and its pin is designed to be at the NMRA standard HO height of 0.391" which is more or less* the prototype height of 33" for American rolling stock. Even in H0 and certainly in 4mm scale that's much lower than the 1054 mm (41.5") centre height of a European buffer beam. * the prototype height is 33" + or - 1.5" (to allow for the difference between an empty and a fully loaded car). If you want to be really pedantic the NMRA HO coupler head height of 0.391" scales to 34" so relates to an empty car. Freight trains on model RRs are notoriously unprofitable 😆 Yep, not holding my breath at all for one from Kadee. But from EC, fingers crossed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradfordbuffer Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Bucoops said: That would suck. In a good way. Good job didn't suggest air train pipe! Goodness me what would you of suggested 😉 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 23, 2022 Author Share Posted November 23, 2022 (edited) 15 hours ago, bradfordbuffer said: Good job didn't suggest air train pipe! Goodness me what would you of suggested 😉 It could have been blow you sir. As in a raspberry Coat and hat on and the door closed behind me, and I heard the locks been thrown. OzzyO. Edited November 23, 2022 by ozzyo 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) Just got my dropheads from Ellis Clark Trains. A sort of mini review, the size is to my eyes just about spot on. On the first one I tried to drop it was a bit hard (not because of the instructions) but I think a bit of moulding flash in the drop head. But after I gave a bit of a wiggle it worked. The springing for the opening jaw is not on view. Score 9/10. Will I buy more YES. A photo showing the ECT coupling and a Kadee #805. ATB OzzyO. Edited November 26, 2022 by ozzyo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted November 26, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2022 On 15/11/2022 at 13:54, Ellis Clark Trains said: Good afternoon, Hope you're all keeping well! Good news - our Working Drophead Buckeye Couplings are now in stock and live on the website. You can read all about them/watch a little demo video on our website, or by clicking HERE. All the best, Ellis. A gentle nudge on demonstrating uncoupling (what's that tiny pin on the underside for?) thank you. 1 hour ago, ozzyo said: Just got my dropheads from Ellis Clark Trains. A sort of mini review, the size is to my eyes just about spot on. On the first one I tried to drop it was a bit hard (not because of the instructions) but I think a bit of moulding flash in the drop head. But after I gave a bit of a wiggle it worked. The springing for the opening jaw is not on view. Score 9/10. Will I buy more YES. A photo showing the ECT coupling and a Kadee #805. ATB OzzyO. They do say they can be a bit stiff on first usage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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