Jol Wilkinson Posted May 19, 2022 Share Posted May 19, 2022 (edited) Introduced by the Midland Railway in 1893, several of these Coal Tar/Creosote tank wagons lasted into early BR days. The kit includes a turned tube "tank", half etched riveted overlays tank supports, etc. and cast whitemetal underframe and tank ends. Priced at £30:00, the kit is available from London Road Models at londonroadmodels@btinternet.com. (although the kit is not yet listed on the website!) Edited May 19, 2022 by Jol Wilkinson 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinM Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Jol I saw this at Expo em and it look good an i ordered one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cwmtwrch Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I see the wagon has grease boxes, which would presumably have been replaced at some point in LMS days, if not before? Does the kit have alternative oil boxes? If not, how easy is it to replace them, please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 20, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 20, 2022 28 minutes ago, Cwmtwrch said: I see the wagon has grease boxes, which would presumably have been replaced at some point in LMS days, if not before? Does the kit have alternative oil boxes? If not, how easy is it to replace them, please? Not necessarily (although obviously possibly). Grease boxes on wagons definitely lasted into BR days with various Instructions relating to them continuing well into the 1950s. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jol Wilkinson Posted May 20, 2022 Author Share Posted May 20, 2022 1 hour ago, Cwmtwrch said: I see the wagon has grease boxes, which would presumably have been replaced at some point in LMS days, if not before? Does the kit have alternative oil boxes? If not, how easy is it to replace them, please? I don't know. I only saw the boxed kits for the first time at ExpoEM and they were all sold before I even had a chance to look at the contents or instructions. I did manage to take the photo above at the end of play on Saturday. I haven't been involved at all with the development of that kit for LRM as my interests lie with the LNWR. An email to John Redrup at LRM will provide a more definitive reply, through londonroadmodels@btinternet.com, further to Stationmaster Mike's answer above. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Rather an attractive wagon, which I suppose would have run in a rather grotty weathered black livery. I suppose there's not a great deal of point in putting it on his web site if he sells out as soon as its produced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Usually bauxite/red oxide in service. ISTR there was one at Dinting in the 1970s which was later at the K&WVR, then Barrow Hill. No idea where it is now. This says grease axleboxes. http://www.ws.rhrp.org.uk/ws/WagonInfo.asp?Ref=6447 They survived very late in the day and the later version with the steel underframe was still about until very recently. Linked as there might be some useful info. I have a feeling some of the tanks were placed on new chassis. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lmstank Make your own mind up on axleboxes as they seem to have different types. Readily available from your regular axlebox suppliers if the ones supplied aren't correct for the era you want. I'm sure something from 51L or Dart Castings will be suitable. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 20, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 20, 2022 As built, in a photographic livery: [Embedded link to catalogue thumbnail of Midland Railway Study Centre item 64643.] Midland Style has nothing to say on colour, though I suspect that as service stock allocated to the Locomotive Department* they were probably oxide of iron like cranes, match wagons, etc. with black for ironwork below solebar level. However, John Redrup told me that the instructions include notes from original research, which I look forward to reading. I also gather that the designer made use of the original drawings 866 and 866A in the Midland Railway Study Centre collection. *At least, that was the case for the 18 creosote tank wagons extant at the end of 1884 (before the date of this type) according to MR Carriage & Wagon Committee minute 1814 [TNA RAIL 491/253]. I too wasn't early enough at ExpoEM so have one on order. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinM Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 I have one on order too.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 23, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23, 2022 2 hours ago, MartinM said: I have one on order too.... John gave two reasons why he'd only brought ten kits to ExpoEM: 1. he hadn't expected it to sell, what with it being unannounced; and 2. he'd got fed up turning the tube for the tank to length... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinM Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 mine turned up yesterday in a big box looks good.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted May 26, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, MartinM said: mine turned up yesterday in a big box looks good.... Likewise. The prototype information is intriguing. I'm not convinced it entirely squares with the information I have but the writer has read the two HMRS Journal articles which I'm afraid I haven't. I'm in two minds about the grey livery rather than oxide of iron. The separate number series is anomalous, since all other departmental vehicles - crane match trucks, ballast wagons, ballast brakes - were numbered in the general wagon series, or brake van series: [Embedded link to catalogue image of Midland Railway Study Centre Item 31268.] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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