RMweb Premium newbryford Posted July 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, R. Knowles said: Why not buy both?🤷♀️ You could also make up a larger rake between the two! The two different types of PCAs made by Bachmann, and Accurascsle and now a third PCA by Revolution do not work in the same trains..... Edited July 27, 2022 by newbryford 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium andythenorth Posted July 27, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 27, 2022 (edited) Ben Jones' Train Formations Handbook has a section on West Highland formations 1980-1993, including some example Alcan consists. https://www.mortonsbooks.co.uk/product/view/productCode/5542 I won't scan here due to copyright (and I'm hoping another edition gets produced as it's a good reference, so please do buy a copy, it's a bargain at about £5 + shipping). 🙃 The Alcan PCAs shown are in mixed rakes with PAF/PAA and PAB, typically around 6 or 8 PCAs. The PAB are these https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/prpaa/hC22E075#h1a0a2183 The PAF/PAA are https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop/h2168003C#h3f001cb0 or similar in Grainflow livery. Both of those hoppers would be nice to have if anyone is compiling wishlists, especially the PAA, the Lima model is not aging well 😉 Alcan PCA also shown in mixed Speedlink consists with 4 wheel tankers, Speedlink opens, and KFA flats (aluminium ingots - wonder if anyone does an ISO flatrack for these? Also the reeled paper with tarps on KFAs from Corpach). Edited July 27, 2022 by andythenorth 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 11 hours ago, newbryford said: The two different types of PCAs made by Bachmann, and Accurascsle and now a third PCA by Revolution do not work in the same trains..... The Hornby Vee tanker PCA with Alcan branding would have been seen alongside these new wagons but only at Cambois. They replaced the unbraked hoppers for the Lynemouth flow. I don’t think they ever got up to Ft Bill. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 I think the mixed rakes of alumina PCAs and PAB/PAA etc happened for a relatively brief period as the new PCAs were introduced in early 1988. Certainly makes for interesting rakes! Thanks for reminding me! Bizarrely there’s some of the depressed centre ‘V’ PCAs at Fort William at the moment - they were moved there when the Lynemouth smelter closed (along with many other bits and pieces) but IIRC they were moved by road and Alvance have no plans to use them. It was a case of take what could be moved when Lynemouth closed. I think I’ve got some drone footage of them that we didn’t use. Cheers Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2022 In case anyone missed it here is our launch video: https://youtu.be/dWulE5zmcgE Cheers Mike 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium andythenorth Posted July 28, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 28, 2022 Derailing the thread, but watching the video, seems I've drawn Lochaber by accident 😛 https://grf.farm/firs/3.0.12/html/industries.html#aluminium_plant I suspect all smelters are broadly similar, this one was a blend of German, Norwegian, Icelandic ones 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted July 29, 2022 Share Posted July 29, 2022 18 hours ago, Revolution Mike said: In case anyone missed it here is our launch video: https://youtu.be/dWulE5zmcgE Cheers Mike Love this, Never thought I'd see the day. And if as you say niche subjects such as this are borderline, It gives us an idea that any smaller wagon batch will never see the light of day. Well done Mark 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium SHerr Posted July 29, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2022 On 27/07/2022 at 21:11, andythenorth said: Ben Jones' Train Formations Handbook has a section on West Highland formations 1980-1993, including some example Alcan consists. https://www.mortonsbooks.co.uk/product/view/productCode/5542 I won't scan here due to copyright (and I'm hoping another edition gets produced as it's a good reference, so please do buy a copy, it's a bargain at about £5 + shipping). 🙃 The Alcan PCAs shown are in mixed rakes with PAF/PAA and PAB, typically around 6 or 8 PCAs. The PAB are these https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/prpaa/hC22E075#h1a0a2183 The PAF/PAA are https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/brtgraincovhop/h2168003C#h3f001cb0 or similar in Grainflow livery. Both of those hoppers would be nice to have if anyone is compiling wishlists, especially the PAA, the Lima model is not aging well 😉 Alcan PCA also shown in mixed Speedlink consists with 4 wheel tankers, Speedlink opens, and KFA flats (aluminium ingots - wonder if anyone does an ISO flatrack for these? Also the reeled paper with tarps on KFAs from Corpach). A PAB would be nice and plenty of scope for West Highland and Lower end Far North lines, plus I think they may have been used for lime further south. Would look nice behind some Accurascale 37’s! I must admit I misread the title and got very exited thinking they had announced the PAB until I got to the photo! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted August 17, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 17, 2022 Something curious from the Revolution article. The Alumina is refined in County Limerick, Ireland, then shipped all the way around Britain to Blyth, before being trained back to the west coast. Why do they not ship it to somewhere on the West Coast, or even to Fort William itself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
64F Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, nightstar.train said: Something curious from the Revolution article. The Alumina is refined in County Limerick, Ireland, then shipped all the way around Britain to Blyth, before being trained back to the west coast. Why do they not ship it to somewhere on the West Coast, or even to Fort William itself? It went to Blyth because that was convenient for the Lynemouth smelter. Since Lynemouth closed it obviously makes less sense, so I believe the plan is to ship it to Fort William direct once pier facilities are upgraded. Unfortunately that would spell the end for freight on the West Highland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted August 18, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 18, 2022 Yes, as mentioned it went to Blyth because there was a smelter there until relatively recently. Although there has been discussions about shipping alumina powder to Ft William our understanding from Alvance is that has other challenges and is not currently being actively pursued. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 18 hours ago, 64F said: Unfortunately that would spell the end for freight on the West Highland. .... and the end of 'Alcan' trains on the Blyth & Tyne line. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagsniffer Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 Where can I preorder these wagons? Every time I click on the shop page on the website it just says “no products found”? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roddy Angus Posted August 18, 2022 Share Posted August 18, 2022 9 minutes ago, Clagsniffer said: Where can I preorder these wagons? Every time I click on the shop page on the website it just says “no products found”? Snap. Roddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted August 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2022 We had a temporary glitch with our website on Thursday following a software update, which was fixed on Friday - they should be available to order from our website now. Apologies Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRDBLUE17 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Hello everyone, Having built my little train set Rannoch quite a number of years back now, I’m genuinely excited to see the Alcan Tanks being produced by Revolution. It’s been a long lived, iconic wagon of the last 30 years on the scenic west highland line. Realtrack class 156 filled a major gap a few years back but these really complete the line up. Although my interest is from 2005 onwards having researched for the layout I’ve seen all sorts of combinations from the 80’s onwards and such a wide variety of traction on the WHL and even more the further south they travel on both the East Coast and diversions down the West Coast to and from Blyth. 55022 in a more modern guise from Accurascale next with a rake of Rio Tinto tanks would surely look good on a lot of layouts for starters. Great to see these being done, thanks Mark 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 I model Steam 1930's but I may have to buy another of my funny trains as I was around for this. Not the position varies a bit on the number panels etc. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 7 hours ago, Coach bogie said: I model Steam 1930's but I may have to buy another of my funny trains as I was around for this. Not the position varies a bit on the number panels etc. Mike Wiltshire Note - They are the V type PCAs, not the ones being modelled by Revolution. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 (edited) 12 hours ago, Alcanman said: Note - They are the V type PCAs, not the ones being modelled by Revolution. Bummer. As a steam modeller what do I know? The Railway Modeller review had me thinking these were the wagons used. I have looked through all my Deltic shots from 2011 and never managed photographed 55022 on the Revolution ones, though a train of what looks like them went past with a 66. Thanks Mike Wiltshire Edited August 27, 2022 by Coach bogie 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 14 hours ago, Coach bogie said: Bummer. As a steam modeller what do I know? The Railway Modeller review had me thinking these were the wagons used. I have looked through all my Deltic shots from 2011 and never managed photographed 55022 on the Revolution ones, though a train of what looks like them went past with a 66. Thanks Mike Wiltshire Although 55022 was mainly used on the North Blyth - Lynemouth local workings with the V type PCAs, it did few workings to Fort William with the Revolution type PCAs which can be seen being hauled by the class 66. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted August 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2022 If you stick 55022 Alcan into Flickr you’ll find quite a few cracking shots of a Deltic on the WHL with our tanks eg 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted August 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2022 Plus we’ve just received the first samples: https://www.revolutiontrains.com/alcans-arrival/ cheers Mike 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted August 28, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2022 Hello all, A sample was on show at the Rails Open Day yesterday, and we'll have them at the Great Electric Train Show in Milton Keynes in October and at Warley National Model Railway Exhibition at the NEC in November. cheers Ben A. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted September 6, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 6, 2022 I uploaded a sample consist diagram to our website yesterday which might be of interest to some - there's some interesting combinations! Hopefully it is of use to some! Cheers Mike 4 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammstein2609 Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 Hi All I've just been checking some photos I took while at Rannoch Station on 28th September 2012 and found the following consist heading South from Fort William: (In order): 66735 GBRf 55563- Rio-Tinto 55552- Rio-Tinto 55568- Rio-Tinto 55555- Rio-Tinto 55571- Rio-Tinto 55544- Rio-Tinto 55549- Rio-Tinto 55540- Rio-Tinto 55565- Rio-Tinto 55564- Rio-Tinto 55567- Rio-Tinto 55569- Rio-Tinto 55545- Rio-Tinto 55550- Rio-Tinto 55556- Rio-Tinto 55536- Rio-Tinto 55542- Rio-Tinto 55571- Rio-Tinto. I thought it might be worth posting as may be useful to someone. Thanks Martin 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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