BR(S) 4TC conversion to 4CIG?

[Blobrick]

I would like to ask the Southern EMU guys their option on a possible conversion in 4mm scale.

 

I have taken a look at the Kernow  (Bachmann) 4mm scale 4TC set. To my untrained eye it looks very similar to the earlier 4CIG units delivered to the SR between 1965/66 for work on the Brighton line.

As I do not have any diagrams of either type of  unit, l was wondering, part from motorising the 4TC, what other alterations (if practical)  would be required to make an acceptable 4CIG? 

I suspect that if it was an easy conversation Kernow would have already considered it!

 

Cheers

 

Bob C

[Hal Nail]

9 minutes ago, Blobrick said:

As I do not have any diagrams of either type of  unit, l was wondering, part from motorising the 4TC, what other alterations (if practical)  would be required to make an acceptable 4CIG?

Just type 4cig and 4tc in Google images - the window layout is totally different.

[Blobrick]

9 minutes ago, Hal Nail said:

Just type 4cig and 4tc in Google images - the window layout is totally different.

 

Hi HN

 I d tried looking at google etc, almost all the images were 3/4 view, so l could not be sure, hence my question. At least l know now

 

many thanks 

 

Bob C

[nigb55009]

Have you tried the Barrowmore Model Railway Group website. They have BR Diagram books on there. You may at least be able to compare window spacings

and configuration. The dimensions of the bodies are obviously the same, being MK1 derivatives.

[45655]

The 4TCs were converted from loco hauled stock (TSO-FK-BSK-TSO) so were very similar to their loco hauled equivalents (except that a driving cab and driver's vestibule replaced the existing vestibule and toilets at each end and a replacement door was put in the end seating bay).

 

The 4CIGs, while being Mark 1 outline, had a completely different layout.  The driving trailers were composites with first class compartments adjacent to the driver's vestibule and cab and a second class open saloon at the inner end.  The trailer second was a nine bay saloon (as opposed to eight bays on a TSO) with no toilets and doors in the centre seating bay in place of a vestibule.  The motor brake second had a six bay saloon, a guard's compartment and a very short van area.  None of the vehicles had a loco-hauled Mark 1 equivalent.

 

Hope that helps,

 

Keith

Alton.

[lapford34102]

Hi,

Have a look here at the MJT sides

https://www.dartcastings.co.uk/mjt.php#CarriageComponents-Sides

 

Stu

 

[Wickham Green too]

TC driving trailer 76275 found its way into 4VEP 3562 for a while ......... which doesn't help you in the least !

[keefer]

4TC: https://sremg.org.uk/emu/class438.shtml

4CIG/BIG: https://sremg.org.uk/emu/class421.shtml  

[Blobrick]

Thanks for your help chaps, looks like coach sides are the way to go on this. What's the betting by the time l ve finished this project, Bachmann/Hornby will announce their own version !

 

Thanks again lads

 

Bob C

[Hal Nail]

8 minutes ago, Blobrick said:

Thanks for your help chaps, looks like coach sides are the way to go on this.

Am I imagining it or were Hornby upgrading the VEP? If they improve the fronts, that could be an alternative starting point if you are adding sides anyway, and already powered.

[BernardTPM]

VEP is the obvious choice as the donor as cabs and underframes are basically the same. TCs don't have any power equipment, either modelled or a power bogie/chassis to propel it.

[RFS]

14 hours ago, Hal Nail said:

Am I imagining it or were Hornby upgrading the VEP? If they improve the fronts, that could be an alternative starting point if you are adding sides anyway, and already powered.

 

No you're not imagining it! Hornby are indeed revamping the 4-VEP (aka class 423) with expected delivery of Summer 2023.  See this in the Engine Shed.

[Clive martin]

If it is any help if you go to dartcastings webb site and look under carriage sides they have a photograph of their etched sides for 4CIG units they also do etched sides for 4TC units ,you might be able to compare these,also Model Railway constructor did scale drawings for the 4CIG i cant remember what year or month could have been the late 70s early 80s ,i think the article might have been ride to work on an egg ,it might be in the southern electric groups modelling index i hope this info is of some help.

[Blobrick]

Thanks Clive , that's very useful info, l ll  take a look and see

 

Cheers

 

Bob C

[Clive martin]

No problem you are very welcome i have just done a bit of research it is the October 1980 modelrailway constructor that has the 4CIG BIG scale drawings it looks like magazine exchange might have a copy i have not used them but their webb sight looks very good!

[Blobrick]

Thanks again Clive, top job as they say

 

Many Thanks

 

Bob C