JeffP Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Why, oh why do we persist in dbso's that have a flat front, even a gangway? The French ones are always more stylish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 11, 2023 Author Share Posted February 11, 2023 (edited) 23 minutes ago, JeffP said: Why, oh why do we persist in dbso's that have a flat front, even a gangway? The French ones are always more stylish. I don't see how it's a 'persistence? They've looked that way for 33 years, it's not a current design. There are no other DBSO types. The other driving trailer designs are purpose designed DVTs, designed to match either Class 90 or 91 locos respectively. The French Corail driving trailers are not exactly pretty... Edited February 11, 2023 by hexagon789 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold rodent279 Posted February 11, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2023 Ah yes, I see it now. Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 23 hours ago, hexagon789 said: There are no other DBSO types. The other driving trailer designs are purpose designed DVTs, designed to match either Class 90 or 91 locos respectively. The French Corail driving trailers are not exactly pretty... But they dont look like runaway coaches. Nor do their dmu's and emu's. Most of ours do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
icn Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 23 hours ago, hexagon789 said: I don't see how it's a 'persistence? They've looked that way for 33 years, it's not a current design. There are no other DBSO types. The other driving trailer designs are purpose designed DVTs, designed to match either Class 90 or 91 locos respectively. The French Corail driving trailers are not exactly pretty... Both Italy and France do seem to have a knack for ugly driving trailers, but the German IC driving trailers aren't bad (the current livery is probably the worst they've seen - the MET livery was probably best), and the SBB single-deck carriages similarly (the double-deck carriages used to look like lumbering elephants, but the new livery makes them look reasonable). To be fair the SBB carriages were custom-built (but based on an existing carriage design), but the German one is a conversion. But I think the difference here is: the DBSO dates from 1979, and equivalent driving carriages from Germany in Switzerland in that timeframe are also very utilitarian - the following is a great example although it's also by far the worst I could find: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Bn-Wendezug.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 43 minutes ago, JeffP said: But they dont look like runaway coaches. Nor do their dmu's and emu's. Most of ours do. We're getting ever more of topic; I'll just finish by saying there is a limit to what one can do with a conversion on a budget compared to a from-scratch purpose built design. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 12 minutes ago, icn said: Both Italy and France do seem to have a knack for ugly driving trailers, but the German IC driving trailers aren't bad (the current livery is probably the worst they've seen - the MET livery was probably best), and the SBB single-deck carriages similarly (the double-deck carriages used to look like lumbering elephants, but the new livery makes them look reasonable). To be fair the SBB carriages were custom-built (but based on an existing carriage design), but the German one is a conversion. But I think the difference here is: the DBSO dates from 1979, and equivalent driving carriages from Germany in Switzerland in that timeframe are also very utilitarian - the following is a great example although it's also by far the worst I could find: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Bn-Wendezug.jpg Indeed, and that German one looks suspiciously 'runaway coach'-like! ;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted February 25, 2023 Author Share Posted February 25, 2023 A friend and I managed to catch the tour on its second day at Glasgow Queen Street earlier on its first trip from Edinburgh. Despite a check at Haymarket, making it 3 mins down by Edinburgh Park, the set arrived into Glasgow 90 seconds earlier after a blistering 44.5 min run from the Scottish Capital. I managed some photos as well, which I hope might be of interest: 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 25, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2023 Excellent, back home at last!🙂 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melton Works Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 On 09/02/2023 at 12:31, newbryford said: There is a possibility that a model set will be running on Deadmans Lane ate Glasgow in two weeks. Courtesy of a friend. There's a few details still to be sorted. Looking Cracking, just finished my version (other than a few finishing touches to the DBSO) it really needs to stretch its legs on a layout sometime! 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melton Works Posted May 1, 2023 Share Posted May 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Melton Works said: Looking Cracking, just finished my version (other than a few finishing touches to the DBSO) it really needs to stretch its legs on a layout sometime! And coach D... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted May 5, 2023 Share Posted May 5, 2023 Good to see this set back again brilliant job of refurbing and hope it works regularily around Scotland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hexagon789 Posted May 6, 2023 Author Share Posted May 6, 2023 12 hours ago, lmsforever said: Good to see this set back again brilliant job of refurbing and hope it works regularily around Scotland. There is a repeat trip scheduled (same itinerary) for early August. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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