Brush Type 4 roof/ boiler differences and the first generation Bachmann model

['CHARD]

Well I've searched here, there and everywhere, even the Class 47 site, and only gleaned 63% of the gen.  So...

 

As built, I believe the 512 members of the class had the following boiler arrangements: 

 

Spanner MkIII  (the circular crater in the roof, like you accidentally rested the soldering iron on the loco)

D1500-1615, D1682-1781 (Total: 216) 

Bachmann have released D1500, D1547, D1746, 1764, 47148 (1741)

 

Stone-Vapor (not modelled?)

D1616-1635, D1837-1874 (Total: 58)

Any accurate releases?

 

Stones (not modelled?)

D1101-1111, D1948-1976 (Total: 40)

Any accurate releases?

 

Clayton (two square grilles/ hatches)

D1100, D1636-1681, D1901-1947, D1977-1999 (Total: 117)

Bachmann have released 1662, D1670, 1677

 

NB (not modelled?)

D1782-1836, D1875-1900 (Total 81, became TOPS Class 47/3)  

 

 

I'm only really concerned with the as-built, until 1969 situation, so the replacement of tri-grilles with Serck shutters on dual-braking doesn't concern me, that's a known and understood modification.  

 

What I would love to learn is whether examples have been released of the Stone-Vapor or Stones locos.  Have others been released that are fictional (D1842, I spy you with my little eye), and are there aftermarket parts available to replicate or correct rogue locos?  I have accumulated a healthy roster of these delightful, and charismatic engines, and the time is right to get the fleet sorted.

 

TIA, 'Chard    

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

Shawplan for your boiler port options.

 

Mike.

 

 

[45125]

1500-1619, 1682-1781 all had Spanner mk3s with the depressed exhaust, some of the early one had a plate fitted with an elongated hole when new.

1631-1681,1901-1947, 1977-1999 and 1100 had the universal boiler compartment with Clayton mk2s.

1837- 1874,1948-1976 had the universal boiler compartment with Stones Vapour.

1782-1836, 1875-1900 all had the universal boiler compartment with no boiler.

1620-1630 had Stones Vapour boilers with an square exhaust just behind the cab similar to that fitted on the UBC roof panel. The roof panel is the same as the UBC roof, but the actual compartment is not a UBC.

 

The UBC could be configured for any boiler. The roof had removable panels to accommodate the various exhaust and safety valve arrangements. 

All these arrangements have been modelled in some form or other, apart from a plate fitted Spanner.

 

Al Taylor.

Edited November 9, 2022 by 45125

[Halvarras]

I believe the Lima model had the UBC, which means the Hornby Railroad version does too. I've just panelled over one of these on a Lima 47484 in GWR150 green - at least colour-matching the black roof was easy🙂!

[w124bob]

Here's a link to the A1 models etch for the various boiler grills/blanking plates

https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=a1+models&_sacat=0

I've got all four variations on a few Bachmann cl 47's, this site also gives the boilers info in the data secton.

class47.co.uk/c47_intro_v2.php( I've got copy and paste issues)

Here is D1103 with the Stone Vapour etches .

 

 

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by w124bob

[Downendian]

S-kits released 4 products for class 47 boiler ports, Spanner, Clayton, Universal blanking plate 47/3 and Stones. I’ve collected a few for a rainy day, but rather foolishly gave some away. They maybe still in business as I may need to replenish the stock pile 

skitsinfo@btinternet.com 
I think Shawplan have only ever done the blanking plate. Plus I also thought the Limby 47 had the blanked off Universal port (not one to hand to check)

Neil

 

Edited November 11, 2022 by Downendian