15xx liveries

[Forward!]

Hi all,

 

Quite tempted with the upcoming Rapido 15XX. I could, at a push, include one on my layout but it would have to depict a brand new loco.

 

I see Rapido is offering a G.W.R. green livery which I'm sure must be a what-if. So out of the other livery options they're offering was the class' delivery scheme plain black (unlettered, unlined); lined black (early emblem) or a combination of both on different locos as they were outshopped? Did any received the "BRITISH RAILWAYS" lettering? A built date of July 1949 would put it right on the cusp of the introduction of the lion+wheel crest right? And the GWR.org livery pages note that Panniers 1503–5 were lined, but doesn't note whether that was from their build dates or later on in the BR period.

 

Would appreciate a steer.

 

Thanks,

 

Will

[Steamport Southport]

Delivered in plain black, early crest.

 

Original condition here.

 

https://1501pta.jimdofree.com/7-locomotive-history/

 

The lined examples came later for engines that worked as Station Pilots at Paddington. The rest were usually filthy.

 

 

Jason

[MPR]

1 hour ago, Steamport Southport said:

Delivered in plain black, early crest.

 

Original condition here.

 

https://1501pta.jimdofree.com/7-locomotive-history/

 

The lined examples came later for engines that worked as Station Pilots at Paddington. The rest were usually filthy.

 

 

Jason

Looks  like 1501 at least was delivered with no crest.

[Steamport Southport]

6 minutes ago, MPR said:

Looks  like 1501 at least was delivered with no crest.

 

I'll have a look in Pannier Papers tomorrow if I remember. The details will be in that.

 

 

 

Jason

[The Johnster]

No crest was not unusual in early BR days on the Western Region, and photographic evidence shows 4557 at Tondu in no-crest plain black during this period.  Photos of it at Whitland, it's next xfer, show LNW-style mixed traffic lining and a small unicycling lion, so it must have visited works at around the time of the xfer.  Even some named tender locomotives appeared like this.

 

Livery variations on the plain black 15xx dock shunters would include red-backed number plates.

[Forward!]

Thanks guys. Much appreciated

[Forward!]

Just spotted- there's a picture at https://1501pta.jimdofree.com/7a-british-railways/ which shows 1501 in april 1950. Not looking particularly filthy, but I can't make out a crest! Maybe it's just an atefact of photography.

[Steamport Southport]

Looking at photos in Pannier Papers it just looks dirty. But it seems that some of them might have been delivered with no crest. 

 

Dates for the lined examples.

 

1503  17/12/54

1504    31/8/54

1505    8/11/54

 

 

Jason

Edited December 19, 2022 by Steamport Southport

[Corbs]

I could be wrong on this but I seem to remember reading that 1501 never got a crest and stayed in plain black during its entire working life with BR up to the point it was sold to the NCB, the lined black with crest it has now being a purely preservation-era livery.

Edited March 7, 2023 by Corbs

[Edge]

2 minutes ago, Corbs said:

I could be wrong on this but I seem to remember reading that 1501 never got a crest and stayed in plain black during its entire working life with BR up to the point it was sold to the NCB, the lined black with crest it has now being a purely preservation-era livery.

I think it was the lining which is preservation exclusive. Appears to be unlined black with crest in the below

 

 

not my photo, if copyright holder would like it taken down then it will be, please just let me know 

[Corbs]

Ahhh yes that must be it - the lining.