Hornby new X04 motors?

[john new]

This may seem an odd question but do the reintroduced Lord of the Isles and 123 the Caley single re-use the original design of motors and gears? If yes are they available as new build spares to retro fit older Tri-ang locos that have lost their motors?

 

Before any one states that you can get refurbs I know that but the supplier I have seen advertising requires a replacement duff one for exchange. I have three or four models where the motors were lost completely long ago or have various bits missing; a completely new one with the worm fitted as a drop in would be great.

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by john new
Formatting.

[Hroth]

Make sure you're asking for the right motor, the Triang GWR and Caledonian Singles were fitted with the XT60 motor.

 

I don't think the new ones have anything like that, I put a decoder in Lorrna Doone a while ago and from what I remember it was a small modern motor fitted in a completely different manner.

 

Edited February 20, 2023 by Hroth
a bit more

[stewartingram]

XT60 was the TT one if I remember right, also used in turntables? Been a while since I saw one.

[RedgateModels]

The official designation for the 123/lord of the Isles was X05. It was the TT xt60 with an X04 brass worm. 

[john new]

Sadly not of any use for sprucing up my old items in the bits and bobs box.

 

Thank you for the helpful replies..

[frobisher]

I don't know if this service sheet from 2009 helps.

 

hss-313c-caledonian-4-2-2-458_1_.pdf (Hornby.com)

[Michael Hodgson]

1 hour ago, frobisher said:

I don't know if this service sheet from 2009 helps.

 

hss-313c-caledonian-4-2-2-458_1_.pdf (Hornby.com)

A later version than the original Tri-ang one?

[Hroth]

Just now, Michael Hodgson said:

A later version than the original Tri-ang one?

 

Very much so!  Thats the current version.

[Michael Hodgson]

Maybe there's another version ... this looks to me like an X04

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304804000049?chn=ps&_trkparms=ispr%3D1&amdata=enc%3A1B7oVh8V2QT2LZ9RpfrqpAA79&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=710-134428-41853-0&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=304804000049&targetid=1647205088760&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9046080&poi=&campaignid=17206177401&mkgroupid=136851690655&rlsatarget=aud-1657461043148:pla-1647205088760&abcId=9300866&merchantid=6995734&gclid=CjwKCAiA0cyfBhBREiwAAtStHCqGKC51kffyYkSz3-iuPUrYeZAnHDEIIUoaLXfSHRifAJEWZZ6hVxoCIhIQAvD_BwE

[Hroth]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Maybe there's another version ... this looks to me like an X04

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/304804000049

 

No, it looks like this out of the loco

 

 

Narrower, with a smaller armature and magnet.

 

For comparison, an X04

 

 

Bigger all round!

 

[33C]

Was the XO5 used in any other Triang products? Minic Motorways for instance? TT?

[RedgateModels]

2 hours ago, john new said:

Sadly not of any use for sprucing up my old items in the bits and bobs box.

 

Thank you for the helpful replies..

What motors are you after John?

[andyman7]

1 hour ago, 33C said:

Was the XO5 used in any other Triang products? Minic Motorways for instance? TT?

Earlier Minic models used the X.500, a version of which was used in the Rocket. Later Minic Motorway cars used bought in Hong Kong motors

[melmerby]

Nice pics here:

http://www.tri-ang.co.uk/OONew/chassis422.htm

[john new]

51 minutes ago, RedgateModels said:

What motors are you after John?

I have a few dismantled old Tri-ang locos, three from memory, but it might be four. All had XO4s I think but after some poor storage a few year back the motors are either lost or too badly damaged.  From memory it is two Nellie 0-4-0 chassis and an early 0-6-0 (plus possibly one more) the old style 08 is definite, the other ? Is  from a Jinty.

[Hroth]

11 hours ago, john new said:

I have a few dismantled old Tri-ang locos, three from memory, but it might be four. All had XO4s I think but after some poor storage a few year back the motors are either lost or too badly damaged.  From memory it is two Nellie 0-4-0 chassis and an early 0-6-0 (plus possibly one more) the old style 08 is definite, the other ? Is  from a Jinty.

 

They will all be X04 or derivatives.

Given the prices being asked for the motors alone, it might be a better bet to look for a ratty old Jinty or Nellie as a donor loco.

[RedgateModels]

11 hours ago, john new said:

I have a few dismantled old Tri-ang locos, three from memory, but it might be four. All had XO4s I think but after some poor storage a few year back the motors are either lost or too badly damaged.  From memory it is two Nellie 0-4-0 chassis and an early 0-6-0 (plus possibly one more) the old style 08 is definite, the other ? Is  from a Jinty.

 

PM sent John

[melmerby]

Early versions of the nominal "XO4" are branded XO3 and dont have oil pads for the bearings, which XO4 do, there are some with an oil pad on the front bearing only, these have been called "XO3.5"

Physically all the same size.

[Butler Henderson]

Slightly more than that. The X03 had an Alinco magnet while the X04 had a  Alcomax magnet - source The Story of Rovex Vol 1 . X03 was later (1978) used for X04 type motors with cut down shafts fitted with a plastic single  thread worm with  a 28:1 ratio compared the 20:1 of the brass worm on the X04 -source - source The Story of Rovex Vol 3.

[87004]

I spotted this on ebay from a trader called hornsandwhistlesworkshop:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144911822821?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=SkQb4dXvRHS&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=zOCTjQ4TSie&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 

i was seriosly tempted despite the higher price compared to a refurb. But it went immediately out of stock. Looks to be part of the burgeoning 3D printing maker industry.