RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 10, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2023 I’ve been thinking the same thing. There are a couple of plasticard spacers between the bogies and the chassis which I’m minded to remove. Cheers Darius Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted November 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2023 3 minutes ago, Darius43 said: I’ve been thinking the same thing. There are a couple of plasticard spacers between the bogies and the chassis which I’m minded to remove. Cheers Darius The buffer height is my own reality-check. Can you fit the bufferbeams and check against another vehicle? CJI. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 10, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 10, 2023 Spacers removed. Looks much better now I think. The cab buffer beam is yet to be scratch built. Cheers Darius 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted November 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Darius43 said: Spacers removed. Looks much better now I think. The cab buffer beam is yet to be scratch built. Cheers Darius Looks MUCH better - I look forward to the next episode! CJI. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JDW Posted November 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2023 Looks spot on to me too now. Enjoying watching, glad I'm not the one building though! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium coronach Posted November 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2023 It’s great to see some proper down to earth modelling in progress. I converted a Lima Class 117 into a Derby Lightweight unit using an ancient set of brass sides and white metal ends, powered with a black beetle motor bogie. It’s gradually falling apart after several years of use but I’m happy with it - I much prefer what I built to simply buying an RTR version from Bachmann 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 10, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 10, 2023 1 hour ago, Darius43 said: Spacers removed. Looks much better now I think. The cab buffer beam is yet to be scratch built. Cheers Darius That last photo shows you are still a tad high. What size are the wheelsets btw? Also not that the 109 will need the outside swinglink springs adding. Also I'm not sure that the body profile is correct, this photo https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/2969 shows that its flat above the waist. Sorry! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Darius43 said: Cab front part temporarily taped in place. The cast roof is much higher than that of the aluminium body. Filing and sanding the white metal roof to a matching profile would leave a very thin layer remaining. The problem was solved by gently bending the cab roof to match the body roof profile using small pliers. White metal cab and rear face were then glued in place with plasticard strips reinforcing the joints. External gaps in the joints will be filled and sanded. Cheers Darius Nothing unusual about the cast ends being higher than the coach roof, since you've mentioned it I do believe I resorted to the same ploy with the pliers on my Class 119 kit in 1975 - brute force and ignorance I think it's called! Worked though as it reduced the amount of filing. The trailer looks even more of a greenhouse-on-wheels than the power car! And I'll be happier when you get around to sorting out those cab fronts, all that frowning is making me feel uncomfortable 😬! 2 hours ago, uax6 said: Also I'm not sure that the body profile is correct Colin Massingham probably wasn't sure either Andy! 😃 2 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 11, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) It is an MTK “kit” so there will inevitably be compromises to get anything resembling the prototype. The body sides are extremely flexible “above the waist” due to there being more window than body in this region so the profile in this area is a moveable feast at the moment. Once I get some primer on it will be easier to see where more cosmetic surgery is needed - especially with the cab fronts. The ride height is as low as it can practicably be and the roof and body sides line up reasonably well with the 110 DMU. I think it is the MTK buffer beam buffer holes that are high. Easily fixed though. Cheers Darius Edited November 11, 2023 by Darius43 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 11, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2023 8 hours ago, uax6 said: Also note that the 109 will need the outside swinglink springs adding. Sorry! I assume by swinglink springs you mean these items? Looking at pictures of the preserved unit on the Llangollen Railway, they appear to have been removed. Photos of in-service units don't show this area clearly so it is hard to determine what the spring link installation looks like in detail. I can always model the unit as preserved... Cheers Darius 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 3 hours ago, Darius43 said: I assume by swinglink springs you mean these items? Looking at pictures of the preserved unit on the Llangollen Railway, they appear to have been removed. Photos of in-service units don't show this area clearly so it is hard to determine what the spring link installation looks like in detail. I can always model the unit as preserved... Cheers Darius Something odd about that diagram - the window depths are all over the place compared with the photo of the preserved unit. It also indicates narrow cab-corner windows - which don't exist! CJI. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 11, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 11, 2023 Yes - the diagram (on the Railcars site) is definitely iffy. The illustration of the driving car has the hinges on the right hand side of the doors looking from the outside. I’m basing the work on photos as far as possible. Cheers Darius 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Darius43 said: I assume by swinglink springs you mean these items? Looking at pictures of the preserved unit on the Llangollen Railway, they appear to have been removed. Photos of in-service units don't show this area clearly so it is hard to determine what the spring link installation looks like in detail. I can always model the unit as preserved... Cheers Darius Yes. Its interesting that the bogies on the preserved set don't have them, must of the units in the Railcar gallery show them*. But there is this wonderful page on bogies that I got the webmaster to write to explain: https://www.railcar.co.uk/technology/bogies/ go to the Derby page, and there are some cracking shots of the swing-link springs. I'm guessing that when you get the interior partitions in, they will help to sort the profile up a bit? Andy G Edit: * Looking that the photos on the railcar site, all the units kept them while they were carrying passengers, only the ER managers set (the preserved set) lost them, presumably when it was converted. Edited November 11, 2023 by uax6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike_Walker Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 Any help? This is the unit that became the GM's saloon. Has the swinglinks in situ. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Mike_Walker said: Any help? This is the unit that became the GM's saloon. Has the swinglinks in situ. Sadly they aren't. They look like tele shockers. Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Mike_Walker said: Any help? This is the unit that became the GM's saloon. Has the swinglinks in situ. Note the straight-across cab end rain gutter - this alters the 'face' quite significantly.. CJI 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, cctransuk said: Note the straight-across cab end rain gutter - this alters the 'face' quite significantly.. CJI For the better maybe? Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cctransuk Posted November 11, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 11, 2023 36 minutes ago, uax6 said: For the better maybe? Andy G NIMHO - I like the 'frown'; sets the Wickhams apart from the crowd! CJI. 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 2 hours ago, uax6 said: Sadly they aren't. They look like tele shockers. Andy G They are lateral suspension dampers......... Al Taylor. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 12, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2023 Roof panel “ribs” scribed in place. Roof ventilator location holes drilled and MTK vents glued in place. Cheers Darius 8 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 12, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2023 (edited) Water tank filler pipes added using a slice of plastic rod and 0.4mm dia. Brass wire. MJT brass door hinges and handles added. Cab end buffer beam/valence made from plasticard and fixed in place. Cheers Darius Edited November 12, 2023 by Darius43 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Darius43 said: Water tank filler pipes added using a slice of plastic rod and 0.4mm dia. Brass wire. MJT brass door hinges and handles added. Cab end buffer beam/valence made from plasticard and fixed in place. Cheers Darius Very neat work with the scriber. On the door outlines too - looks like a useful tool which I could have occasionally found a use for. But you're probably glad it's not a 3-car set! Watching progress with interest...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 12, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2023 1 minute ago, Halvarras said: Very neat work with the scriber. On the door outlines too - looks like a useful tool which I could have occasionally found a use for. But you're probably glad it's not a 3-car set! Watching progress with interest...... Oh man. Am I so glad it’s only two cars 🤪 Cheers Darius 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 12, 2023 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2023 Primer on. Cheers Darius 10 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted November 12, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 12, 2023 I think the cab fronts would come up well if you sand down all the bits that stick out, they all seem to be very overscale! I don't envy you with those cabs end castings, again not one of Colins finest hours! Andy G 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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