RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted February 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 1 I have searched through my library and online, and I'm sure the answer is "no", but can anyone disprove the proposition that some Saints were fitted with 4000 gallon tenders in late GW service? Given their shed locations and probable routes and workings, I'm not sure that they would warrant the larger tenders. But I'm prepared to be corrected/educated. Thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 Very hard to disprove... Wouldn't it be better to turn the question round and ask whether any one has any evidence of a 4,000 gallon tender fitted to a Saint? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold phil_sutters Posted February 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 1 I am not sure what size this is, but it looks larger than others that I have seen attached to Saints 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 46 minutes ago, phil_sutters said: I am not sure what size this is, but it looks larger than others that I have seen attached to Saints That's a Collett 3500g. I have not seen a pic of a Saint with a Collett 4000g. Some Saints (mainly Scotts) ran with Dean 4000g units in their early years. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
88D Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Is there a kit for a Collett 3500 gall tender, 4mm? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 17 minutes ago, 88D said: Is there a kit for a Collett 3500 gall tender, 4mm? I don't think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I think Falcon Brassworks/Jidenco did one. One of those where it might be worth watching on eBay to see if the etches appear, sometimes they sell a few "etches only" on there, If they do, the rest of the bits you can get from other sources. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 I did wonder about Falcon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Hornby do/did one, for their Grange, but that's RTR of course. It looks decent enough though. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
88D Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I think Falcon Brassworks/Jidenco did one. One of those where it might be worth watching on eBay to see if the etches appear, sometimes they sell a few "etches only" on there, If they do, the rest of the bits you can get from other sources. Jason If anyone were to do it, then my money would have been on Falcon: they made kits for everything going! If I can’t find anything, I’ve thought of doing a horizontal cut and shut on a 4000 gall tender- I wonder if that would work? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
88D Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, Miss Prism said: Hornby do/did one, for their Grange, but that's RTR of course. It looks decent enough though. Hadn’t spotted this reply when I posed a cut and shut possibility. Many thanks for this, and I shall look for the rtr version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted February 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 2 4 hours ago, Miss Prism said: Hornby do/did one, for their Grange, but that's RTR of course. It looks decent enough though. Does seem to be the variant they do the least though, last I looked they still hadn’t done a GWR version with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wenrash Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 Laurence Waters book on the Saint Class states that "the records show that 2931 ran with a standard Collett 4,000 tender, no 2417, between September 1946 and September 1947" I can not find any photographs of this in the book about this. A number of Collett 3,500 tenders, also the bogie tender, are in the photographs He states all this information came from the work of Bill Peto who actually went and looked at the Great Western records for the Great Western Society. He also says that 2920 St David was coupled to 4,000 gal tender no. 1509 built on lot A51, when the loco was withdrawn. However the photograph taken outside Swindon works is not of a Churchward 4,000 gal tender! Richard Ashenden 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 The date fits, but unfortunately 2931's tender is tantalisingly out of shot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 5 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5 40 minutes ago, Wenrash said: Laurence Waters book on the Saint Class states that "the records show that 2931 ran with a standard Collett 4,000 tender, no 2417, between September 1946 and September 1947" I can not find any photographs of this in the book about this. A number of Collett 3,500 tenders, also the bogie tender, are in the photographs He states all this information came from the work of Bill Peto who actually went and looked at the Great Western records for the Great Western Society. He also says that 2920 St David was coupled to 4,000 gal tender no. 1509 built on lot A51, when the loco was withdrawn. However the photograph taken outside Swindon works is not of a Churchward 4,000 gal tender! Richard Ashenden Frustrating when one’s memory is blank. I saw 2920 several times during her last months in service.Being an 85 C engine,she was a regular performer on Hereford-Cardiff stoppers.My last sight of her was at Pontypool Road on such a working. I regret I cannot verify anything about her tender, 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 In lined black and red plates and a Churchward 3500g, 2920 at Worcester just a few months before withdrawal. I doubt it had another tender in the remainder of its service life. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 47 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: I doubt it had another tender in the remainder of its service life. Only takes one major water leak or some other catastrophic failure I suppose. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted February 5 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5 41 minutes ago, Miss Prism said: In lined black and red plates and a Churchward 3500g, 2920 at Worcester just a few months before withdrawal. I doubt it had another tender in the remainder of its service life. Another source of Saints in their twilight years is The Red Dragon and Other Old Favourites which concentrates on Landore & the Swansea area between the late 1940’s & early 1960’s & features work by Huw Daniel & others. There are just 4 plates of Saints .All have 3500 gal. tenders. The names still resonate with me as memories of childhood. I had just entered grammar school when Saint David was withdrawn. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted February 5 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5 Thank you all for the info and picture links. sorry for a lack of reply last week - dreaded lurgy struck my down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 5 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5 (edited) Several BR era photos here, look for the smokwbox numberpltes as on 2906 at Hereford, top left. https://mikemorant.smugmug.com/Trains-Railways-British-Isles/GWR-and-BRW/GWR-Saint-4-6-0 Edited February 5 by The Stationmaster 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wenrash Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Miss Prism, I am missing something here. Which Photograph of 2931 are you referring to? Richard Ashenden Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted February 6 Share Posted February 6 Richard: (The link was given in my earlier message, but I've now let the system hotlink on this one) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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