Jon Fitness Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Still waiting for a version in this livery............ Only on one side mind you.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted August 19, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 19, 2010 Still waiting for a version in this livery............ Only on one side mind you.. Hideous ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Hideous ! I know! We forgot to paint the name and number red! Outrageous! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share Posted August 19, 2010 Still waiting for a version in this livery............ Only on one side mind you.. Gorgeous! I'd buy that (but only if painted both sides...!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Fitness Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Gorgeous! I'd buy that (but only if painted both sides...!) It was plain green on the other side (and the back) ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 There should be a law against painting GWR locos in lined black....Where is the EU when its needed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 Hideous ! Yes, i'd have preferred late crest on it too, mind you it'd be green again then.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted August 19, 2010 Share Posted August 19, 2010 There should be a law against painting GWR locos in lined black (quote) There probably is! Well, they outlaw anything that's fun! And this was huge fun. I wonder why people get so worked up about a coat of paint. Have you seen the new Lynton & Barnstaple 2-6-2T doing its test runs in plain black. All it needs is the lining..... CHRIS LEIGH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forester Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Still the finest April Fool anyone ever perpetrated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 20, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2010 Mine arrived today and rather nice it is too although the orange lining is definitely too 'heavy' and rather let's the side down on what is otherwise an excellent representation of 'this year's livery' on the prototype. And that livery sets off a couple of questions as I found on a Glos & Warks Railway website (who repainted the protype) the comment that it is painted in the livery it now carries because it is the correct one for the loco's mechanical condition. That seems fair enough - top feed was applied to the class from 1911 onwards so the 1906 'black frames' livery is appropriate (assuming 3717 received a top feed pre-war). But then an apparent anachronism and something which needs explanation the loco, real and model, carries a blue route availability 'disc' on the cabside but according to the RCTS history such disc were not applied until 1919 - although I suppose it is conceivable that the pre-war livery might have survived the conflict. But that does not explain why the loco has a blue disc when the 'Cities' were red restriction? Were the 'Cities' reclassified to blue for some reason (although a good ton over the maximum axleload for blue) or has 'someone' got it wrong at some time and an error has been carried on through? Although it should be noted that the spoof black livery correctly carried a red disc. Anyway what we do seem to have in this version of 3717 is an accurate model of an inaccuracy on the real loco - always something to watch out for when taking details from preserved prototypes. N.B. In the pics below the effect of light on the green shows up very clearly and at some angles misrepresents what looks like a fairly good reproduction of the prototype colour. The loco in the prototype photo is 3715 'County of Hereford' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted August 20, 2010 Share Posted August 20, 2010 Mine came today too, but I've only had a chance to take her out of the box to briefly admire her! It's a lot easier to see the detail in The Stationmasters photos than looking at the actual model! All being well, she's going for a running-in turn on Monday. I agree, the boiler and firebox bands do appear far too bright and heavy, especially when compared with the lining on the cab side and tender, (and also compared with Hornby's boiler bands). At least it's not like Bachmann's Hall, on which all the lining is very bright and heavy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted August 21, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2010 Anyone want my arm or leg? £150 ono Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 When talking about the green earlier, I ommited to mention the 'City' 4-4-0 should carry a darker green than the accepted 1928 version, however, seeing as the model is a model of a preserved loco it is therefore correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 Have been looking back through old mags - in one their is a review of a limited edition Dapol OO J94 in Army livery with a price of £90. Makes Truro look dirt cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northants PC Posted August 21, 2010 Share Posted August 21, 2010 I really fancy this one, I'd never seen City of Truro until Didcot GWR 175 in May and it looked excellent !. Do NRM have any of the earlier ones left? Northants PC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted August 21, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 21, 2010 I rather like the look of this version. But already have the earlier one from NRM. Mmmm sell the first or have two versions of the same loco? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 When talking about the green earlier, I ommited to mention the 'City' 4-4-0 should carry a darker green than the accepted 1928 version, however, seeing as the model is a model of a preserved loco it is therefore correct. It is often said that colour and lining don't scale down too well, and look better if more vivid. So a slightly lighter green wouldn't look out of place at all. Anyway I thought i'd share these, since i'm not allowed to have another model of it: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigw Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Not sure if this has been mentioned or not, but the springs on the tender are the strengthened type fitted from the 1925 onwards. They first seem to have been fitted to 3500 gallon tenders and then extending to use on 3000 and 2500 gallon tenders. Certainly wrong for the pre war livery, though there is a photo of "Killarney" at Shrewsbury with a tender in this condition albeit in unlined green Regards, Craig W Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 It is often said that colour and lining don't scale down too well, and look better if more vivid. So a slightly lighter green wouldn't look out of place at all. Speaking as one of this country's top professional model painters for the past 38 years, I have tended to disregard what the text-books and theorists have to say on the matter and have always sprayed locos in the correct colours. Once one starts off down the road of modifying primary colours, the truth gets left behind. Lining is a different matter. It is virtually impossible to reproduce fine lining exactly to scale in 4mm, and so white lines look garish and red lines appear invisible. Sympathetic compromise is the solution in this instance. White for lining out is toned down with cream and black. Orange lining (as on GWR locos) is best carried out in a tan colour. It needs to be there but should be almost invisible from a distance. Red is transparent and needs an additive such as artists oil paint. Red lining also needs to be very slightly 'overscale' for it to register as part of a livery. These were the results of experimentation carried out many years ago by another Pro painter Alan Brackenborough and myself in an attempt to create effective liveries. The lining colours mentioned work equally well in 7mm scale. But tampering with the primary loco colour is unnecessary. Larry Goddard Spray Painting & finishing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted August 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2010 Does anyone do alternative name plates and number plates? I am tempted by a "sale of two citys" but don't want two versions of the same locomotive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2010 I rather like the look of this version. But already have the earlier one from NRM. Mmmm sell the first or have two versions of the same loco? C'mon Garry - bite the bullet and stop prevaricating Doesn't matter if you have two as they carry different numbers so it would only look a bit odd if you saw both at the same time and compared the nameplates And it would go nicely with some of your diesels as it is in precisely contemporary 2010 'heritage railway' livery and not in 'correct for period' historical livery as far as details are concerned. BTW it does look better with red headlamps as in 298's pics but this introduces a further potential anachronism as we now have a loco in fully lined 1906 livery, carrying a post 1919 route availability disc (of the worng colour) and headlamps painted post 1915 red. I wonder how long the pre-war lining lasted on the real 3717? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.A.C Martin Posted August 22, 2010 Author Share Posted August 22, 2010 It's such a shame I don't get paid until friday this coming week - I'm at the NRM mid week to meet up with some friends for a day trip, and I think 3717 will be there at the NRM in both full and 00 scale... On the plus side - doesn't she look smashing? I hope they keep that livery on her a tad longer, I like it better than the previous livery with the double lining, if I'm honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Garry D100 Posted August 22, 2010 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 22, 2010 C'mon Garry - bite the bullet and stop prevaricating Doesn't matter if you have two as they carry different numbers so it would only look a bit odd if you saw both at the same time and compared the nameplates And it would go nicely with some of your diesels as it is in precisely contemporary 2010 'heritage railway' livery and not in 'correct for period' historical livery as far as details are concerned. BTW it does look better with red headlamps as in 298's pics but this introduces a further potential anachronism as we now have a loco in fully lined 1906 livery, carrying a post 1919 route availability disc (of the worng colour) and headlamps painted post 1915 red. I wonder how long the pre-war lining lasted on the real 3717? Lol. Ah but you see my diesel fleet is 70's, 80's and early 90's. So maybe decision made then if this is a recent livery for Truro. Unless this livery goes back to then. If not that's £150 saved.:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 Alternative 'City' Nameplates can be obtained from Modelmaster and numerous other engraved plate manufacturers. http://www.modelmasterdecals.com/4mm_Product_List.php I'm out of touch with this now but I seem to recall CGW did some very neat GWR plates. (Plas Cadfor, Llwyngwril, Gwynedd , LL37 2LA) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted August 22, 2010 Share Posted August 22, 2010 I really fancy this one, I'd never seen City of Truro until Didcot GWR 175 in May and it looked excellent !. Do NRM have any of the earlier ones left? Northants PC. According to the NRM website, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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