RMweb Premium finelines Posted February 7, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2011 Ever since I started doing plastic kits I have had a bee in my bonnet, for those of us who model around 1960 the thing that is missing is post 1918 pre-grouping stock. Concurrently with Pigeon Van and the Southern 2 door mineral wagon I cut a die for the side of this LSWR sliding door van with a steel underframe. This will provide a chassis for 4 other wagons. I have been looking at other pre-grouping wagons, but I will only mention one other, for which I have always had a soft spot, the original SECR Maunsell roof van, shorter than a standard SR one with 3 part doors. Let me know your thoughts. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted February 7, 2011 Share Posted February 7, 2011 That certainly sounds of interest Roger, but it might be worth checking the Cambrian website first which shows the SECR van as on his 'to do' list. I don't know whether the other LSWR vehicles are already covered? best wishes Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted February 7, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 7, 2011 It certainly is the same SECR van. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Yes, yes, yes, yes. I know very little about LSWR vans and have no reference material to hand... is this the same one that chap cast up in MRJ quite recently which you can easily adapt into 2 or 3 different variants? I love outside framed vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted February 8, 2011 Share Posted February 8, 2011 Would love to have some of them, and others too!! Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Overground Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 I would deffinatly welcome sevral LSWR Sliding door van. I and am sure there would be alot of parts in common that could be used with other similar diagrams such as the meat vans, butter vans ect?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 9, 2011 Share Posted February 9, 2011 Older wagon designs are always welcome. The thing about wagons is that they could turn up almost anywhere, not just on their home system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Whilst not being a Southern modeller myself I know someone who would be extremely interested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Stafford Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 A brake van of NBR origins would be rather nice. It's certainly something rather absent from the other makers' lists! Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold John B Posted February 10, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2011 A brake van of NBR origins would be rather nice. It's certainly something rather absent from the other makers' lists! Dave. Definitely. The last one known in the wild was a "Westykit" and then very early Iain Kirk - about as common as gnashers on a Rhode Island Red. I'm also up for some LSWR vans.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
autocoach Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Excellent news..LSWR Outside braced vans (with sliding door?.) Such as SR diagrams 1409 and 1410. According to my reference these lasted into BR ownership. I would expect pre-grouping goods stock to be the preserve of kits rather than RTR. Plus from a personal perspective kits come much faster in the mail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edubs Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 LSWR/WD Warner type brake van? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Is this the LSWR van? http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/wagon/8112.HTML Yes please, pre-grouping wagons are always very welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted February 10, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2011 This is the correct dia, 1406. The dia 1409 and 1410 are the low roof earlier diagram. My kit for 1410 in etched brass was hand drawn, but 1406 and the one with the 3 part door were both drawn on the computer so I have a jumping off point. The low roof variants will fit on the same chassis. We have done some work on the WD brake van but has not been given much priority because every part of the body needs a separate die or cavity. I really want to get this project moving. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Whilst not being a Southern modeller myself I know someone who would be extremely interested. You don't have to be a 'Southern' modeller to have 'Southern' wagons. They went where the load was consigned to, they would have even got onto the Grass and Weeds Railway. I am LMS (Midland) myself and will welcome a LSWR van. Goods trains simply need a 'Home Company' (or company with Running Powers) engine and Guard's Van, the rest of the wagons can be from virtually anywhere. The only wagons to be wary of are PO coal wagons which would have had limited geographical scope before WW2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Would definitely use one if they lasted to the late 50's and early 60's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Having just invested in just one Finney Diag 1410, I would consider the metal underframe van as an excellent alternate choice at a lower cost. The later types ran into the early 60's as departmental stock carrying spares between depots and the works, a good excuse to be found both in trains and waiting in sidings around the system. If I might suggest, modellers do like well-known exotic vehicles - the LSWR/SR 26' Goods, Guard's and Cattle Drover's Van 8' 0" diagram 1546- would make a rather nice vehicle. Did one of these end its day's on the Lyme Regis branch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted February 11, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2011 Isn't that the Callington brake? Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGN Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Will these be finding their way down to N / 2mm scale? Or will they be restricted to teh larger scales? More pre-groupign stock in the smaller scale is always most welcome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Roger, Callington Brake You could be right but also worthy of consideration is Special Cattle Van Diag 3141built by both BR and SR, 60 were built and lots of excuses for inclusion in either rural or larger layouts. The latter vehicle has that 'wow' factor , rather like Comet's bullion van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted February 13, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2011 I don't know about N gauge. I have a rough idea of what I have planned for this year. I have been working on new die cutting techniques and if they work without smashing tools we will all benefit. When it comes to reproducing my etched kits on plastic I have to be careful because I have passed the to Matthew to work with. I did warn him the there were some kits I have a soft spot for and there was a likelyhood of me doing them on plastic. These includes the 150 series of vans, the LMS horsebox, the NE 4w CCT and the SR prize cattlle van. I have done some work on the LMS horsebox, mostly because of the challenge, but so far have not been happy with the results. A little story about the SR prize cattle van. When I was producing my etched range a number of people asked about a "Utility Horsebox". Mike King correctly identified it as the prize cattle van and it became RC119. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Hale Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Mike King correctly identified it as the prize cattle van and it became RC119. Do you still have one? DesA (living in hope) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium finelines Posted February 13, 2011 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 13, 2011 None. I felt it would be sharp practice to sell high priced etched kits if I was planning to do a plastic one. I have been having fun doing things I never got to on etched brass. The Southern ballast wagons were originally announced in 1988 and were going to be whitemetal bodies on etched chassis. Probably the longest gestation period of any kit? Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlandman Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 A brake van of NBR origins would be rather nice. It's certainly something rather absent from the other makers' lists! Dave. Hi Dave I think a NBR Brake Van is available at Dragon Models, it is a 20 Ton, 4 Wheel Diagram 32B, Chris also has other NBR vehicles plus, I think, Caley & GSWR, all ex Majestic Models Midland Man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poor Old Bruce Posted February 16, 2011 Share Posted February 16, 2011 Is this the LSWR van? http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/bluebell/wagon/8112.HTML Would definitely use one if they lasted to the late 50's and early 60's. If there are preserved examples, it suggests that they survived until at least 1965 whether in BR traffic/departmental use or under private owbership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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