mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 oday i have built a GWR Drinking water wagon Dia DD1 the info with the kit say that the livery was Dark green with yellow lettering but ithe only photo i can find is in the GWR Goods Wagon book by R Tourret page 503 which show it in loco Dept livery Can anyone help with any more Info Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Only reference to this I have seen was that it was involved in the 1904 painting trials - so green with large yellow lettering seems feasible. Sometimes don't you just wish that colour had never been invented (or colour photography been available earlier) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 What period are we looking for? According to the HMRS's 'Great Western Way' page 103, covering the period 1904 - 1919... and I quote 'Travelling water tanks were now painted white with large letters on their sides and numbers, tares etc., on the solebar; it is believed the letters on the tank were black but those on the solebar was certainly white'. I can't see a reference to water tanks during 1929 - 1936, although there were the white refrigerator vans - Mica's. 1939 - 1947, again no mention of water tanks, but still white Mica's Edit - Ooops, sorry Kenton I was typing when you posted.... GWWay, doesn't mention trails though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Only reference to this I have seen was that it was involved in the 1904 painting trials - so green with large yellow lettering seems feasible. Sometimes don't you just wish that colour had never been invented (or colour photography been available earlier) Now would the Dark Green Be GWR Green?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Edit - Ooops, sorry Kenton I was typing when you posted.... GWWay, doesn't mention trails though! That's fine - I guess just because one was used in painting trials doesn't mean it wasn't re-painted. White seems quite logical to me. Anyway wasn't this another one of GWR's great one off trials ? DD1 being a 3000 gal (20ft.oh) version of the previous DD2 2000gal (16ft.oh) which were simply converted (roofed) N6 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Bigcheeseplant Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 I am sure they should be white David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 What period are we looking for? According to the HMRS's 'Great Western Way' page 103, covering the period 1904 - 1919... and I quote 'Travelling water tanks were now painted white with large letters on their sides and numbers, tares etc., on the solebar; it is believed the letters on the tank were black but those on the solebar was certainly white'. I can't see a reference to water tanks during 1929 - 1936, although there were the white refrigerator vans - Mica's. 1939 - 1947, again no mention of water tanks, but still white Mica's Edit - Ooops, sorry Kenton I was typing when you posted.... GWWay, doesn't mention trails though! I am looking at finishing the wagon as built so green the white livery with black lettering is the livery from the trials in 1904 for which i have just found a photo of in the same book as above page 245 plate 302 Kenton there were 16 built so not one of Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 A White one or two http://web.me.com/ch...g/dd2-43381.htm http://www.dragonmodelswales.co.uk/page1.php Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 A White one or two http://web.me.com/ch...g/dd2-43381.htm http://www.dragonmod...co.uk/page1.php thanks for them Mick But i do not like working from photos of Models Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 A White one or two http://web.me.com/ch...g/dd2-43381.htm http://www.dragonmodelswales.co.uk/page1.php The first one is clearly a DD2 not a (the) DD1. The second (although it doesn't say so) I'm pretty sure is also a DD2. Now lets not muddle our DD2's with our DD1 (please convince me there were more DD1's) The(y), the DD1(s), were much bigger (see my post above) of course this being a Falcon kit could well be a DD2 or anything in between - Brian how does the measurements of the kit scale up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 The first one is clearly a DD2 not a (the) DD1. The second (although it doesn't say so I'm pretty sure is also a DD2. Now lets not muddle our DD2's with our DD1 (please convince me there were more DD1's) The(y), the DD1(s), were much bigger (see my post above) of course this being a Falcon kit could well be a DD2 or anything in between - Brian how does the measurements of the kit scale up? size wheel base 50mm scale 12.5 foot a DD1 was 13 foot but a DD2 was 9 foot body lenth 78mm scale 19.5 foot a DD1 was 20 foot but a DD2 was 16 foot looking at the photos the body is a DD1( see drawing in my 1st post) with the rivits & curved ends but is 6 inch short DD2 has flat ends Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks. I guess 6" out is pretty good for a Falcon. You've made a nice job of it. Looks good in brass - I'd leave it like that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagonman Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks. I guess 6" out is pretty good for a Falcon. You've made a nice job of it. Looks good in brass - I'd leave it like that It would save any arguments. Atkins/Beard/Tourret has a photo of an elderly DD1 in a pale but dirty livery with faded dark (black?) lettering. To me this suggests they were indeed painted white. This would be sensible as white would keep the contents reasonably cool. Unfortunately the photo shows it fitted with some of pump.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 Thanks. I guess 6" out is pretty good for a Falcon. You've made a nice job of it. Looks good in brass - I'd leave it like that & all in 1 & a half hours work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 24, 2011 Share Posted March 24, 2011 & all in 1 & a half hours work well I'd expect no more after all, to a professional, time is money ... can't keep a customer waiting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 24, 2011 Author Share Posted March 24, 2011 well I'd expect no more after all, to a professional, time is money ... can't keep a customer waiting. For once Kenton this one is for Me this is the 4th Jidenco wagon kits i have built all have gone togetter quickly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted March 25, 2011 Author Share Posted March 25, 2011 Thanks everone look like i will have to go with a white livery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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