RMweb Gold big jim Posted June 3, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 3, 2011 the tinted glazing arrived from hurst today so i made a start on cutting it up to fit the 172, only done 1 side so far but its looking good, not glued in yet though as i want to trim a couple back a bit more to stop the "bowing" effect you can see on a couple of panels also tidied up the 168/0, hand painted the new cab ends, will need to rub down the yellow again as the paint dragged while i was puttng it on, i think the brush still had some thinners on it, other than that i need to add light cluster masks which i will make out of plasticard (the unit wont have working lights) and handrails and wipers which i believe are available as spares from Hornby. a nice addition to my "custom" chiltern fleet 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted June 13, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted June 13, 2011 carried on with the 168, filled in the light clusters and repainted the ends, also got some networker wipers and handrails for it as well as adding numbers and cantrail stripe, going to add led lights to it after all, got some bi-colour type for the combined head/tail lights, just got to figure out how to wire them in now!! posed it on warmington, in reality it wont fit into the shed as the head shunt is too short! also getting there with the 172 as well.... still need to add things like the cantrail stripe, silver light surrounds etc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Jim You are starting to get quite a fleet there looking good. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
divibandit Posted June 29, 2011 Share Posted June 29, 2011 VERY nice work there, Jim. Just had a look at Wells green TMD, do you think he'd make more of those 377 cabs to sell? Brilliant fleet Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted July 4, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted July 4, 2011 steve, i think i'll just stick to the chiltern fleet for now!! managed to get hold of another 168/1 which is going to lose its centre coach to the 168/0 unit, the 2 outer coaches will then become another 172 thanks to more etches and bogies from PH designs, this time as its already in chiltern colours i will only need to paint the etches, the original full respray 172 unit will be ebay bound, its all very complicated!! to top it off i've got yet another 168 coming that will stay as it and another that will have its valances cut back to make a 168/2, so i should have the full fleet, 121, 165, 168/0-1-2, 172 and a loco hauled set i think the new layout might just have a chiltern theme somehow 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 i think the new layout might just have a chiltern theme somehow Hi Jim, You could build the rest of Aylesbury Depot for me? Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmiller2008 Posted September 4, 2011 Share Posted September 4, 2011 Very good Jim , If only i still had my Aylesbury depot Layout i used to exhibit a fair few years back! Apperantly a chap in High Wycombe now has it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 5, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2011 steve, i think i'll just stick to the chiltern fleet for now!! famous last words from me..... pete has been busy doing me a 2nd set of etches to produce another chiltern 172 (the one in he thread was goin o be ebay bound) however a pm fired off to james makin (wells green etc) has resulted in me having a pair of resin class 377 cab mouldings.... im sure you can see where im gong with this one........ basically the chiltern 172 is going to stripped back down and become a LM 172, the reason being i only aerosol painted it and have only worked on 1 coach whereas the 2nd unit i have to convert is already in chiltern livery so just needs the window etch area's painting rather than a whole respray ive done a test fit this afternoon, i will have to shave/cut back the resin moulds a bit to get it to fit but thankfully james made them using a Bachmann turbostar so its not too much work, the main thing is the lower skirt needs to be shorter so i will have to cut it back to look like the 172 prototype hopefully i can get on with it over the next few weeks, hope it comes out alright! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 5, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 5, 2011 (edited) had a bit of a play with the cabs earlier, credit to james for getting them to fit so perfectly with so little work, as i said the skirt needed cutting back a bit, had a look at some prototype pics i took and marked it up before i set to it with my dremel..... after cutting back the skirt i had to shave back a little of the inside of the mould to get it to sit flush to the existing body which it does very nicely just nees a bit shaving off the inside bottom corner of the cab in these pics and after a bit of a shave.... on the opposite side of the cab i have removed the rear view camera but still need to fill the window hole once ive glued the cabs to the body. the Ph designs windows will be ready to fit once i cut back the existing window frames, well pleased with it already Edited October 5, 2011 by big jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWJ Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This is an interesting one Jim! I bet you're the first to model a LM Class 172. The casting from James looks excellent too. Cheers, Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 6, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) yeah i don't know of anyone else doing one yet, looking forward to getting to the painting stage, just need to strip the chiltern unit first done a bit more to it tonight..... tried something different with the windows, on the chiltern unit i narrowed the pillars to suit he ethes, on this one i totally cut out the pillars just leaving a small tab for the etch to butt up against, they seem to have gone in flush, will see at the priming stage then i glued in the etches, used zap glue from modelzone, seemed to go well on both the etches and resin parts i then glued the cabs to the body next up i filled various bits and bobs with white putty, the side window isn't needed on the 172 so that was filled as well as a hole on the skirt (and a bit i accidentally nicked with the dremel!!) im leaving it overnight to cure before rubbing it down flush with the cabside its amazing how a different cab an transform the look of a unit Edited October 6, 2011 by big jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted October 6, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 6, 2011 Just found this thread Jim and wow, I'm very impressed at all the units you've done! And even more impressed at the speed in which you've whapped on the 377 cab too, very nice work!! Cheers, James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 6, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 6, 2011 must admit im not as thorough as you james hence why i crack on with stuff (when i can) the cabs have been a pleasure to work with, simple to fit, thanks for supplying them to me, maybe you and pete could get together and do bespoke 172 kits! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 15, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2011 met up with pete at the weekend who supplied me with some more window etches and voyager bogies for a 2nd chiltern 172 as the first is now the LM one unfortunatly pete only had trailing bogies so i had to adapt the current bogies to suit the voyager bogie sideframes, i chose to adapt rather than replace because of the work involved in changing bogies would have been too involved and id end up with an unpowered unit! basically here are the bogies... 168 bogie voyager bogie as you can see they are different wheelbases basically i cut the bogie side frames off the 168 as well as removing the wheels and replacing hem withthe voyager wheels which left me with what you see below, i then glued a piece if plastic to the the voyager bogie side frame (actually an offcut of window pillar) which in turn i glued to the bogie cut off bogie sides added voyager bogie sides the brakes just about line up with the wheels so it doesnt look strange at all and the extra length of bogies is barely noticable, jut wish id have done the first one that way, would have saved a lot of work here is a comparison between them, to be honest i think the chiltern bogie looks better, obviously the height difference is down o the fact they are just stood on boxes! this is the unit with the window etches in place, going to gevaway with only painting the blue on this one, oh and the extra bit of yellow below the windscreen the 2nd LM bodyshell is currently sat in break fluid hopefully stripping down but not melting!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 15, 2011 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2011 whoops had a disaster with the stripper with the LM 172 shell, i had previously tried model strip but that didnt even touch the paint on the model so i gave it a go in brake fluid, great to start with, took the paint off lovely but after i took the model out to turn over to strip the top i noticed a small crack, then another, when i took the model out to have a closer look it fell apart, the fluid must have made the plastic brittle.... oh well never mind, will have to get a replacement shell from somewhere and fit the brass etches into that instead, no great loss as it was roughly painted to start with Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 14, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2012 as usual, done nothing for ages then got a bit more done over the weekend basically the 2 units at the start of the thread are dead, i have salvaged the etches off them and reused them on a new pair of units, the chiltern one is as above however the london midland one has been restarted completly managed to get this off ebay for a decent price which is going to save me a lot of hassle painting and decaling, ok the body colour is famously wrong (should be silver not white) ut its a damn sight easier for me to modify! basically i needed the modified chassis off the original conversion but the underframe in the LM one was the correct colour with better painted detail so i swapped the underframe plastic sides over as well as the coupler and deflector, you can see the difference in colour etc here and after the chassis swap but with the original windows next up, remove the glazing, surprisingly on the new 170 the glazing wasn't glued in at all so it was easy to remove test fit of the etch another cab was obtained from james makin which has had the mods to get it fit the 170, basically cut off the bottom of the faring, filled the side window and removed the rear view camera, really the side faring needs to be longer to go below the cab door, i could remove the whole faring and replace it with the removed Bachmann piece but im happy with it as it is im going to prime and paint the new parts off the units and fit them up afterwards, i think i may well reuse the Bachmann glazing on the LM unit too, cut down to fit into petes etches as he intended still got the 2nd casting to grind the skirt off though i also now have a painting list: prime the castings and etches yellow ends on the castings yellow ends on the chiltern 172 (yellow to add below the window) yellow end on the 2nd completed 168/0 coach centro green on the castings matt black on the LM etches chiltern blue on the 172 etches, im actually going to completly repaint the whole blue area as the humbrol paint doesnt quite match bachmanns blue, it will however once painted match my 165! then i need to rewire the units following the bogie swaps and put the spare chassis on ebay 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Looking good Jim Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted January 14, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2012 Lovely stuff, keep it coming! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supaned Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Nice - I think you will literally be the first to model an LM 172. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted January 17, 2012 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 17, 2012 Hi In N one of the Warley club used LM 170 plus scratch end and Electra sticky sides - looked the part from normal viewing distances - since scrapped and chassis used elsewhere. One piece N shells not suitable for reduced PH etch sadly.. I have done bits shuffle on a couple of Farish 168/170 compromises to give a 4 and 2 car options.. But this work is great and at least it will not have door faults! Robert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 18, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 18, 2012 cracked on with the units this morning while my wife took the little un to playgroup... resurected my badger airbrush after almost a year of not being used, gave it a good clean and loaded it up did things a bit back to front by doing the dark colours first, originally i was only going to paint the blue on the chiltern unit but the paint dried really quick on the radiator so i carried on with the yellow etc first up as i say was the blue on the chiltern 172, i chose a blue closer to the Bachmann rendition of chiltern blue (humbrol 15) however humbrol 14 is closer in reallity, but im not stripping it again!! the masked up unit after the first coat of blue, it gained one more coat not long after next up i unmasked the ends of the unit and removed the wipers, remasked it to be able to repaint the yellow ends, the 172 has a bit extra yellow below the screen compared to the 168 but i couldnt get a close enough match to the Bachmann yellow so i simply resprayed the lot! while i was about it i decided to spray the 168/0 front end and 172/3 castings, may as well while the gun is loaded all masked up ready to paint, the 168 window bottom was sprayed away from the unit and all sprayed up next up, again only done as the paint had dried fast was to mask off the yellow on the 172 cabs to spray the black window surrounds and bottom skirt and all painted up demasked apart from the end gangway, i'm leaving that on as i now need to remask the black and yellow so i can spray the green! while i was about it i sprayed up the window etches too, i used humbrol matt black very loosly fitted into place on one side its certainly coming together now, the only bit of painting is now e cab mould and its a case of fitting together and glazing etc similarly the chiltern 172 is practically finished too, rewire, glaze and touch up where the paint has run, also add the exhaust pipe to the solebar and cut off the bottom faring on one of the coaches and refit the wipers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 19, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2012 did a bit more last night and this morning, the LM unit is not far off finished now... first up was masking up the yellow and black areas ready for the green which it duly got, railmatch centro green left those to dry overnight while they were drying i cracked on with the glazing, decided to fit the original Bachmann glazing to this unit, unfortunatly i gave the glazing away for the chiltern unit so will have to see if i can get another set before i reglaze that as it looks so much better than the thin glazing i tried on the fort model basically its just a case of cutting the glazing unit down into individual panels and glueing them in the recess pete made for them, a thin rn of glue along the edge is enough to secure and the finished unit glued in place once the cabs were dry i demasked them to reveal the almost finished article, got to add black around the rubbing plate of the gangway as well as black light clusters and continue the curve at the front of the bodyside black area and add light grey sides to the gangway married the cab upto the finished unit certainly looking the part now, the only thing is bachmanns centro green is lighter to railmatches rendition so im gonna mask offf the whole unit and respray/dust over the green on the unit side in railmatch colour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Jim It may be worth you giving Pheonix a call as I'm sure that they can match the correct green for you as I think the supply Bachmann with the paints they use, if I'm wrong on that I'm sorry. But it's worth a try, befor you mask up the whole model. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted January 19, 2012 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 19, 2012 I think its gonna be as easy to mask up the sides rather than remask and repaint the fronts again, besides i think the railmatch green is closer to centro than Bachmann's colour Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Jim Humbrol do a green that is very close to the Bachmann green as well. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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