Earl Bathurst Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Hi I have a Dapol model of the 14xx and is at the moment in GWR livery but want to detail the model and make it a british railways, so i will be repainting got the paint and going to get number plates and transfers for fox but what other detailing parts are around on the market. Can anyone help? Thanks Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2011 The easiest bet is the Mainly Trains detailing kit. I don't actually know of any others, but the MT one is more than adequate. Try searching the forum (including the old one), there are several threads about detailing 48/1400's and Buffalo's blog is well worth a read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Dapol 14xx - N gauge? The Mainly Trains are 00 - but would agree that they're good Or am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2011 Dapol did it in OO, post Airfix/GMR and before Hornby took it on, I assumed that was the one the OP was referring to. Never heard of a kit for N (not that that means there isn't one...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 I've got a Dapol OO Gauge 14XX, I believe they took over from Airfix, then Hornby took over from them (or something like that)Then I changed it to a 58XX, removed the Top Feed and fitted proper hand rails and the MT Detailing Kit. I made up my numbers from Martin Finney Kit http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/31098-gwr-58xx-painting-guide/page__p__326771__hl__58xx__fromsearch__1#entry326771 This part of my thread about my 58xx Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Ah didn't know there was a Dapol 14xx in 4mm In that case MRJ No 1 - Iain Rice's conversion for the article Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2011 In that case MRJ No 1 - Iain Rice's conversion for the article I bet that is a difficult article to get hold of I could do with it! Something that you will need to add to the detailing parts is a new smokebox dart (the cast one isn't too good), handrail pillars from Alan Gibson and .45 wire to replace the handrails. Comet supply a smoke box dart I think Markits do to. Kind regards, Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 One went for 99p last month http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Model-Railway-Journal-No-1-/120710732694 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Bathurst Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thanks been looking on mainly train have seen a few thinks i will use. Not sure if i should replace chimney and dome but cant see where i would get 1 of those from. Also who would do lining for 14xx in 4mm? Thanks Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Iain Rice recommended chimney replacement - but not dome. He used the Cotswold lost wax casting from Nu-Cast (the article says) Part no CH44 from 247 developments may be OK - http://247developments.co.uk/loco_detailing.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted May 16, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 16, 2011 Thanks been looking on mainly train have seen a few thinks i will use. Not sure if i should replace chimney and dome but cant see where i would get 1 of those from. The dome doesn't need replacing, Scott. Did you find the complete detailing kit? http://www.mainlytra...g/exp_mt222.htm The Rice article is a good read with some excellent reference photos, although I believe done a long before the MT was available. It looks a little dated in some respects, IMO, especially after seeing some more recent efforts by members on RMWeb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Bathurst Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Just found the detailing kit will use that. Thanks for pointing that out The only thing im looking for now is lining for the 14xx? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 So which livery? They were turned out, at various times, in green and black. Here's a black one on the SDR. http://www.southdevo...n.org/1420.html And the more traditional green had orange-black-orange.But which one and when - needs more expertise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Bathurst Posted May 16, 2011 Author Share Posted May 16, 2011 Want to do BR Lined green is what i want to do. Its a livery i think suited them Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigwelsh Posted May 16, 2011 Share Posted May 16, 2011 Something that you will need to add to the detailing parts is a new smokebox dart (the cast one isn't too good), handrail pillars from Alan Gibson and .45 wire to replace the handrails. Comet supply a smoke box dart I think Markits do to. Kind regards, Nick. Not just the dart, the whole smokebox door needs replacing to get something looking like that on the real thing, the Mainly Trains one isn't much good either. I had a feeling Iain Rice was involved in the MT detailing kit, he certainly designed a lot of their other kits and did the instructions. I would have thought Fox or Modelmaster can supply you with some lining. Don't forget to choose a prototype that wore that livery when it had a top feed boiler though unless you want to chop that off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 I don't have Peto's Register with me at the moment, but there weren't many lined examples. I will have a look later to see if it details which were green & lined. Removing the Top Feed is not that difficult, carve off most of it carefully then progressively finer sanding and filler. The chimney comes of when you remove the body the smokebox door pops out but you need to sand down the rim. Handrails can be carved off then sanded. The whistle shield is also time and type specific, some had tall ones some short. If you look at mine I replaced the hatch in the roof and filled the bunker with coal, and finally added the fire Iron hooks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted May 18, 2011 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2011 Not just the dart, the whole smokebox door needs replacing to get something looking like that on the real thing, the Mainly Trains one isn't much good either. I had a feeling Iain Rice was involved in the MT detailing kit, he certainly designed a lot of their other kits and did the instructions. Well the drawing certainly looks similar to Iain's style. Who produces a complete door Markits? Regards, Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isambard Kingdom Brunel Posted May 18, 2011 Share Posted May 18, 2011 There is lots of info on RMWEB here is an example with the detailing kit fitted http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/blog/257/entry-5740-14xx-upgrade/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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