colmflanagan Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I wonder if anyone knows where there might be an archive of drawings from the Cravens Companay of Sheffield, who built coaching stock, DMUs' etc., until taken over by Metro Cammell, itself now part of Alstom. I am trying to find out if any drawings exist of 70 "spoil wagons" which were built for the Ulster Transport Authority in 1966-1967. These 4 wheel wagons, carrying 30 tons approx, were used in trains of 20 for the last main line hauled steam trains in the British isles, which carried spoil from a site near Larne to provide the reclamation land for a new motorway north of Belfast. The contract ended in 1970. I attach a picture for info of one of them as delivered to Larne Harbour in February 1967. If anyone has any "leads" that might be worth following up I'd love to hear from them. Colm Flanagan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 22, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 22, 2011 I would suggest that you try the HMRS study centre at Butterley. They have a large archive of Metro Cammell drawings though I'm not sure how far the cataloguing has got. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I wonder if anyone knows where there might be an archive of drawings from the Cravens Companay of Sheffield, who built coaching stock, DMUs' etc., until taken over by Metro Cammell, itself now part of Alstom. I am trying to find out if any drawings exist of 70 "spoil wagons" which were built for the Ulster Transport Authority in 1966-1967. These 4 wheel wagons, carrying 30 tons approx, were used in trains of 20 for the last main line hauled steam trains in the British isles, which carried spoil from a site near Larne to provide the reclamation land for a new motorway north of Belfast. The contract ended in 1970. I attach a picture for info of one of them as delivered to Larne Harbour in February 1967. If anyone has any "leads" that might be worth following up I'd love to hear from them. Colm Flanagan The Metro Cammell collection is in Birmingham Library. The bad news is that Birmingham Library is being rebuilt........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 Cravens' drawings were sold off when the Company folded. A friend of mine bought some drawings at the sale, though not of these wagons. The original Met-Cam drawings are held by the HMRS, though I don't think they have all been catalogued yet. The Met-Cam collection in Birmingham library consists of microfilm copies of some of the original drawings. These were done in the 70s I believe. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanB47306 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 The South Yorkshire Transport Musuem has some items from Cravens so maybe you'd like to try contacting them. I'm afraid I can't be sure what they do have as it's a very long time since I visited the museum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9-70 Posted May 22, 2011 Share Posted May 22, 2011 I wonder if anyone knows where there might be an archive of drawings from the Cravens Companay of Sheffield, who built coaching stock, DMUs' etc., until taken over by Metro Cammell, itself now part of Alstom. I am trying to find out if any drawings exist of 70 "spoil wagons" which were built for the Ulster Transport Authority in 1966-1967. These 4 wheel wagons, carrying 30 tons approx, were used in trains of 20 for the last main line hauled steam trains in the British isles, which carried spoil from a site near Larne to provide the reclamation land for a new motorway north of Belfast. The contract ended in 1970. I attach a picture for info of one of them as delivered to Larne Harbour in February 1967. If anyone has any "leads" that might be worth following up I'd love to hear from them. Colm Flanagan Sorry can't help with drawings for the UTA Spoil wagons, but these two photos I made in 1979 & 80 might be of use. MPD's 64&51 leaving York Rd on a ballast working 12-12-1979 C331 Spoil Wagon Lisburn 15-03-1980 K9-70 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 Do any of these still exist? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 No, most were scrapped at the end of the spoil contract, some were retained by NIR and used until replaced by more recent ballast wagons in the mid 1980s. None remain now. Colm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 No, most were scrapped at the end of the spoil contract, some were retained by NIR and used until replaced by more recent ballast wagons in the mid 1980s. None remain now. Colm Shame they would make nice models! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted May 23, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 23, 2011 Shame they would make nice models! Mark Saunders They would look great with one of the 2-6-4 tanks on the front of them. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
k9-70 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It's a pity that one or two of the Cravens Ballast Wagons weren't preserved as the remaining ones weren't cut up until 1994 by Hamills of Ballymeana. Photo attached made 11-1993, shows 103 plus 4 of the Cravens ballast wagons stored at Ballymeana. K9-70 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmansholiday Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 (edited) Slowly working my way around this site having just joined and found this thread as this afternoon I was looking through my Cravens of Sheffield publicity book that I have. My grandfather was chief buyer their until he retired in the early 60's so it doesn't cover what you wanted (I have just realised this was posted 9 years ago) but does have a lot of pictures and some line drawings of the various DMU, EMU, carriages and wagons they built for the UK and foreign markets. I'd guess it was from around 1960, possibly before. Would you object, when I can get it scanned or photo the pages (it's not going to be today), if I put these here as the title is entirely appropriate. Edited March 5, 2020 by Busmansholiday 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Busmansholiday said: Slowly working my way around this site having just joined and found this thread as this afternoon I was looking through my Cravens of Sheffield publicity book that I have. My grandfather was chief buyer their until he retired in the early 60's so it doesn't cover what you wanted (I have just realised this was posted 9 years ago) but does have a lot of pictures and some line drawings of the various DMU, EMU, carriages and wagons they built for the UK and foreign markets. I'd guess it was from around 1960, possibly before. Would you object, when I can get it scanned or photo the pages (it's not going to be today), if I put these here as the title is entirely appropriate. That would really be appreciated! thanks 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colmflanagan Posted March 6, 2020 Author Share Posted March 6, 2020 I'd have no problem in your posting the info on this thread, in truth I had forgotten it as a few years later a scale model of the wagons was produced as a limited run and I have the models I wanted! Look forward to seeing the results of your work in due course Colm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 Try the National Archives catalogue as it covers not only their holdings but other archives as well. There does seem to be possibly some Cravens material out there just doing a rudimentary search of Cravens Ltd. I cant say it will find exactly what you are looking for but you never know where their material may have ended up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmansholiday Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 I have found a slightly newer version of the book I have here; https://www.flickr.com/photos/124446949@N06/albums It's not complete though, so I'll copy my book (well photo it as it doesn't fit on my scanner), then up load all the pages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 As a first port-of-call, I would suggest Sheffield City Archives, as local firms would normally deposit material there. However, I note from Wikipedia that Metropolitan Cammell took over Craven's rolling stock activities in 1966, which might mean either Birmingham City Archives or wherever Alstom's archives might be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busmansholiday Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 Here we go, I'll break it down into a few entries. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Busmansholiday Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 That's the final installment. Hope somebody finds these interesting / useful. 8 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon A Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 I visited the Birmingham archives a couple of years ago and found them most helpful. They found a full set of drawings for the wagon I was after. I was able to quote the date the order was placed and the customer. Gordon A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike hughes Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 At Birmingham library they've some additional drawings which they'll supply a list (MS99 Additional if remember correctly). Seem to remember they were 60's onwards and featured several countries and included some Cravens Ulster drawings. Bad news they're not catalogued. Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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