brian777999 Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 I am modelling the GWR during the period 1900-1910...or trying to. When did they start painting the brake vans black ? Were all permanent way wagons, such as ballast wagons and brake vans, black ? In many of the old black and white photographs in books these wagons do not look black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dilbert Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 Jim Russell in one of his tomes (I think it was 'Freight Wagons and Loads In Service on the GWR and BR(WR))' states that a PW wagon in circa 1928 was painted in the usual departmental black. I have never seen any other reference regarding GW PW wagons as being painted in black - these are always referenced as GWR grey (which over time would become very grubby in any case as service stock)... dilbert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2011 According the "The Great Western Way" from 1904 all stock was now painted grey before that it had been brown or red. Brake vans went grey earlier. The only change was in the lettering (1920, 1936, 1942) There were some exceptions such as white meat vans and "Brown" vehicles, but I can't immediately find any reference to black goods stock. EDIT gunpowder vans were black with red cross & creosote tanks black also. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted June 17, 2011 Share Posted June 17, 2011 To quote from "Railway Liveries GWR" Brian Haresnape for the period from 1923 "Engineers' Dept and Loco Dept wagons were black with white lettering." OK, not quite the same period and a period known for changes in the Loco liveries. I cannot find any earlier reference or indication of when it started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted June 17, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 17, 2011 Looking further through my books it seems that only some of these wagons were painted black and no specific information is provided to say which ones and when! All other aspects of GWR liveries seem to be well covered. For instance see here : http://www.gwr.org.uk/liverieswagonred.html I think you have plenty more research ahead Brian if you want a definitive answer. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian777999 Posted June 18, 2011 Author Share Posted June 18, 2011 I think you have plenty more research ahead Brian if you want a definitive answer. Keith I think the safest thing to do is to paint them grey unless somebody can find some definite information about painting/dates or find some photographs of such wagons painted black during this period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dymstocklr Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I find I'm in the same position now - did the op find an answer? Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 According to Russell some department wagons were at one time painted black. No dates given. Just found an undated photo of a well wagon in one of his books that is said to be black, with the large 1920s - 1930s type of lettering. Bernard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 9, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2013 Having both a gunpowder van and a ballast open to paint its interesting to see the debate on colour Certainly looking at photos in the Akins book, the gunpowder van looked grey to me Though I've yet to find a photo of the prototype for the Kirk ballast wagon, so will be temped to get the black paint our based on what I've read so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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