Ruffnut Thorston Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 A bit of a mutant! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RATIO-KIT-BUILT-00-gauge-LMS-4-4-0-LOCOMOTIVE-BRASS-CHASSIS-BLACK-2703-z-/351437411122?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item51d34d5332 Tony I didn't know that Ratio made a kit for a LNER Hunt Class? Maybe the Tender (LMS) is a Ratio kit...LNWR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 '...Railway Modeller July 2007 - 'brand new'...' Now it may be that I'm stating the bleedin' obvious - but how can that description actually be true? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Railway-Modeller-July-2007-Brand-New-/400244186146?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5d30699c22 Lendons of Cardiff is a Model Shop... Railway Modeller July 2007 This sale is for a brand new magazine, this mag is a unsold copy that was put to one side to make way for the next issue that had come out, Ideal for a collector. I would say "New Old Stock"...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodmin Bob Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Lendons of Cardiff is a Model Shop... I would say "New Old Stock"...... Or Old New Stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I didn't know that Ratio made a kit for a LNER Hunt Class? Maybe the Tender (LMS) is a Ratio kit...LNWR? It looks like the tender from one of their Midland locomotive kits. (Known for their inability to pull the skin off a rice pudding - not unlike their prototypes). One IIRC was a 2-4-0, the other I can't remember (0-6-0?).) The loco looks like a Will's kit, with motion from bullhead rail, as was once the custom. The cylinders slope the wrong way! (Of course, proper railways keep them horizontal, if possible.....) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Fife Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Il Grifone said: It looks like the tender from one of their Midland locomotive kits. (Known for their inability to pull the skin off a rice pudding - not unlike their prototypes). One IIRC was a 2-4-0, the other I can't remember (0-6-0?).) The loco looks like a Will's kit, with motion from bullhead rail, as was once the custom. The cylinders slope the wrong way! (Of course, proper railways keep them horizontal, if possible.....) I don't think that Wills made a Shire, but McGowan did. Later to be followed by a DJH kit. I did buy a DJH "professionally built" (by Cra**y) kit on a Comet chassis with Romford wheels and a Dave Alexander tender, for a good price (less than the cost of a wheelset). In real life several of the tenders went to new V2's, and were replaced by older versions, so perhaps it happened in model form as well. Thane of fife 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 Il Grifone said: It looks like the tender from one of their Midland locomotive kits. (Known for their inability to pull the skin off a rice pudding - not unlike their prototypes). One IIRC was a 2-4-0, the other I can't remember (0-6-0?).) The loco looks like a Will's kit, with motion from bullhead rail, as was once the custom. The cylinders slope the wrong way! (Of course, proper railways keep them horizontal, if possible.....) I don't think that Wills made a Shire, but McGowan did. Later to be followed by a DJH kit. I did buy a DJH "professionally built" (by Cra**y) kit on a Comet chassis with Romford wheels and a Dave Alexander tender, for a good price (less than the cost of a wheelset). In real life several of the tenders went to new V2's, and were replaced by older versions, so perhaps it happened in model form as well. Thane of fife The other was a small 4-4-0, never seen one, but after attempting the 2-4-0, no hurry to waste any more money! Did Ratio ever get one to work themselves? The tender is definitely from one of these kits, so someone has found a use for part of a kit! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Looking at the location and the price of shipping the location should read RIP-OFF! http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Athearn-5071-Union-Railroad-of-Oregon-50-Railbox-DD-UO1524-/161744126863?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a8b3838f Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The other was a small 4-4-0, never seen one, but after attempting the 2-4-0, no hurry to waste any more money! Did Ratio ever get one to work themselves? The tender is definitely from one of these kits, so someone has found a use for part of a kit! That's right - I thought it was either an 0-6-0 or a 4-4-0, but I wasn't that interested - wrong railway! It is possible, after the great success of the 2-4-0, that it never saw the light of day. The trouble, I gather, was an excess of plastic in the kit resulting in a lack of weight for adhesion, especially seeing the diminutive prototype. Also didn't they have plated plastic wheels - a definite recipe for failure? Sorry as to the identity of the loco manufacturer - again wrong railway........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Looking at the location and the price of shipping the location should read RIP-OFF! http://www.ebay.com/itm/HO-Athearn-5071-Union-Railroad-of-Oregon-50-Railbox-DD-UO1524-/161744126863?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25a8b3838f Especially seeing the box has a $3 price tag! (I've just bought 3 Athearn kits for £1 each...... Admittedly assembled and missing 5 of couplings (The other was a Kadee), but if you leave the bits together in the box, they assemble themselves........ ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Coryton Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 Lendons of Cardiff is a Model Shop... I would say "New Old Stock"...... no refunds unless I have grossly misrepresented an item and, in such an instance, shipping is NOT refundable. Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 28, 2015 Especially seeing the box has a $3 price tag! (I've just bought 3 Athearn kits for £1 each...... Admittedly assembled and missing 5 of couplings (The other was a Kadee), but if you leave the bits together in the box, they assemble themselves........ ) In the USA, apparently there was no tax on 'kits', but were for R-T-R model railways. So by making 'kits' that were extremely simple to self assemble, modellers didn't pay tax on such items. Once production moved offshore that exemption disappeared, thus making 'kits' uneconomic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted June 28, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 28, 2015 Lendons of Cardiff is a Model Shop... I would say "New Old Stock"...... Lendons is the nearest model shop to me (about 3 miles), but I usually travel across town to Lord and Butler, as Lendons shop is very old fashioned with most stuff behind the L shaped counter, stacked high up and not easily visible. The staff mostly have no idea if an item is in stock, or where it might be. Even a serial number often confuses. Oddly, their website requires knowledge of an items serial number to find it quickly, however. Can't knock them too much, though, they've survived for years so far, but not the most user friendly shop I've visited. They did have the J15 in stock before L and B or a well known Liverpool box shifter, and at a fair price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Probably the worst example from the Mary Shelley school of Railway Modelling seen so far!! A Britannia loco body A King Arthur tender Peppercorn A1 smoke deflectors Streamlined Bulleid Pacific Golden Arrow badge 2 Swindon chimney tops And a partridge in a pear tree!! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-00-GAUGE-BRITAINNIA-CLASS-70014-MODIFIED-LOCOMOTIVE-RENAMED-TORNADO/231598139234?_trksid=p5411.c100167.m2940&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140131123730%26meid%3Db2caa3b837264c7ca76da3e1b9dfbcdb%26pid%3D100167%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D9%26sd%3D261930006859 Surely the kindest thing to do would be to just push it into a turntable pit and to then fill it in That said I don't know how it would move under its own power as there is nothing connecting the cylinders to the driving wheels!! The madness continues... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-00-GAUGE-BRITANNIA-CLASS-7000-RENAMED-MODIFIED-LOCOMOTIVE-TENDER-/231601999566 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-00-GAUGE-CLASS-B12-APPLE-GREEN-LOCOMOTIVE-TENDER-/231598139892 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmail Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 From 'gostude' http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331422674305?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Nice expensive Lima. Description says ' Condition:New: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item. Photo shows item out of box, so how is that 'unopened'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 From 'gostude' http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/331422674305?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Nice expensive Lima. Description says ' Condition: New: A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item. Photo shows item out of box, so how is that 'unopened'? 99.8 positive feedback. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 In the USA, apparently there was no tax on 'kits', but were for R-T-R model railways. So by making 'kits' that were extremely simple to self assemble, modellers didn't pay tax on such items. Once production moved offshore that exemption disappeared, thus making 'kits' uneconomic. The same sort of thing applied in this country in the days of Purchase Tax. IIRC 'model' railways (or at least their components) were taxed at a different rate to 'toy' (ie R-T-R) railways. The rules were certainly complicated - I can remember a cartoon from the late sixties or early seventies showing a queue of people waiting to buy valve amplifiers being sold as 'space heaters' and and thus benefiting from a lower tax rate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The madness continues... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-00-GAUGE-BRITANNIA-CLASS-7000-RENAMED-MODIFIED-LOCOMOTIVE-TENDER-/231601999566 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-00-GAUGE-CLASS-B12-APPLE-GREEN-LOCOMOTIVE-TENDER-/231598139892 One word....... Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 The same sort of thing applied in this country in the days of Purchase Tax. IIRC 'model' railways (or at least their components) were taxed at a different rate to 'toy' (ie R-T-R) railways. The rules were certainly complicated - I can remember a cartoon from the late sixties or early seventies showing a queue of people waiting to buy valve amplifiers being sold as 'space heaters' and and thus benefiting from a lower tax rate.... The power controllers were not listed in the Tri-ang Railways Catalogues, as that would make them a "toy" and subject to Purchase Tax...so the Power Controllers had their own catalogue, and were sold a "tools" (lower PT!) as they could be used for other things.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 99.8 positive feedback. Positively shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad_Hatter Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 £44.57 for this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261942056762?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITwith approx 80% of the kit missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turin 60 Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 99.8 positive feedback. Andy Perhaps they got the decimal point in the wrong place John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted June 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2015 £44.57 for this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261942056762?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITwith approx 80% of the kit missing. Well they can't say they weren't informed. Someone is going to be very disappointed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 One word....... Why? A proponent of Scottish Independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 The power controllers were not listed in the Tri-ang Railways Catalogues, as that would make them a "toy" and subject to Purchase Tax...so the Power Controllers had their own catalogue, and were sold a "tools" (lower PT!) as they could be used for other things.... I did wonder why at the time. Dublo and Trix power units were similarly 'under the counter'. The excuse was that they needed to be 'to order' for various mains voltages around the country, despite 240V 50 Hz* being almost universal by the fifties AFAIK. * Still cycles/second at the time - a more useful and self explanatory unit IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted June 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 29, 2015 £44.57 for this http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261942056762?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AITwith approx 80% of the kit missing. Well at least the vendor was honest, the start price of £5.99 looks very reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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