Swissrail Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 He's either going to belt up now, or report me to Ebay for being disrespectful. If he does that, I'll be reporting him for being a mendacious chiseller! 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissrail Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 8 hours ago, The Johnster said: I suspect the problem here is that he will be aware that there is no actual legal or contractual obligation conferrred by the term 'brand new'; it's meaningless in that sense. G will no doubt claim that he is using this term to describe an item that is, in his opinion, in the same condition as it was when it was new. He is entitled to claim this as his opinion, just as I am entitled to consider him a prince (well, the first three letters are the same) among mendacious chisellers. I cannot see why anybody on this site, where we know pretty well what he's like, bothers even looking at his stuff any more (and he's not the only one!). It seems a waste of time beyond the 'look at what that idiot G is doing now'; there's a degree of entertainment value, but the joke is stale now, and to be honest, I'm just tired of him and his shennanigans. We have, I contend, a duty to make newcomers aware of him and his ilk, but I'm bored with people apparently being constantly surprised at his attempts to sell junk at inflated prices. It's what he does, don't give him the oxygen of publicity, or any more of the oxygen of oxygen that you have to... You may have a point. Go$tude's antics are as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2023 9 hours ago, The Johnster said: I suspect the problem here is that he will be aware that there is no actual legal or contractual obligation conferrred by the term 'brand new'; it's meaningless in that sense. Not so - the Consumer Rights act states that goods must be 'as described' - that means if you describe it as brand new, it must be brand new. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 45 minutes ago, Nick C said: Not so - the Consumer Rights act states that goods must be 'as described' - that means if you describe it as brand new, it must be brand new. And my understanding is that in the absence of any definition of "brand new" in the relevant statute, a judge would be guided by how the term is generally understood - for example, the definition given by a dictionary of current usage (rather than one on historical principles, such as the OED, which would give the sense of the earliest occurence of the term first). 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 47 minutes ago, Nick C said: Not so - the Consumer Rights act states that goods must be 'as described' - that means if you describe it as brand new, it must be brand new. I doubt that there's any mileage in it though, it's words on paper. Rather like when I had the audacity to suggest that expensive new working model locomotives should actually work . I was immediately accused of having a vendetta against manufacturers, (one in particular, despite mentioning no names and deliberately keeping it general.) and then got a ticking off for suggesting that the magazines didn't have anything to say about it other than gushing over new releases. eBay have buyer protection that is very skewed in favour of the buyer, but beyond that, your rights are based on goodwill alone. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Swissrail said: He's either going to belt up now, or report me to Ebay for being disrespectful. If he does that, I'll be reporting him for being a mendacious chiseller! How about reporting ebay for being mendacious chisellers? 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissrail Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 They're certainly a law unto themselves: Mendacious chisellers - they're not interested. Counterfeit goods - they're not interested. Misrepresentation - they're not interested. Dishonest statements of origin - they're not interested. The only thing they are interested in is raking in the cash and if that means accepting business from sellers who espouse one or more of the above vices, then so be it. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2023 3 hours ago, MrWolf said: your rights are based on goodwill alone. You'll have to go hunting for them then? Mike. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Rich_F Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 As expected, selection of my old OO vehicles Halden Yard bought & has now "rusted up" & is selling for an extortionate amount! Ford Capri Ford Transit BMW 2002 Rail Express Parcels vans Can't complain I made money off them but the new prices are...expensive 😆 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissrail Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Weeny Works said: As expected, selection of my old OO vehicles Halden Yard bought & has now "rusted up" & is selling for an extortionate amount! They've not done a very convincing job of turning them rusty either. A classic example of weathering done from the imagination rather than photographs. Those prices are very silly too. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Swissrail said: They're certainly a law unto themselves: Mendacious chisellers - they're not interested. Counterfeit goods - they're not interested. Misrepresentation - they're not interested. Dishonest statements of origin - they're not interested. The only thing they are interested in is raking in the cash and if that means accepting business from sellers who espouse one or more of the above vices, then so be it. You've just encapsulated profit-led enterprise capitalism in general; as long as the activity can be at least argued to be within the bounds of legality, why should they be interested, and if profits are likely to be adversely affected, they will be opposed to any remedial action. Mendacious chisellers - acting within the law, mendacity being coeval with marketing. Counterfet goods - not eBay's problem as long as they can at least claim to be unaware of the counterfeiting and acting 'in good faith'. Misrepresentation - see above Dishonest statements of origin - see above. eBay will take on any dodgy business 'in good faith' if they can claim to have been unaware of a seller's dishonesty, and it makes sense from their pov to turn a blind eye as much as possible, so will be slow to take action against sellers even when such mendacity is brough to their attention. Their business model, a very successful one btw, depends on the site being set up and then more or less running itself without interference from them; the default will always be 'leave it alone, it ain't broke don't fix it, don't rock the boat', and they will always have the excuse of the impossibility of close supervision of such a large throughput of data to fall back on. Ultimately it might be considered that a degree of probity in the market they have established would be beneficial to them, and that a failure to eliminate the chisellers will lead ultimately to the site's downfall, but why should they care? They've pocketed the profits and will happlily take the money and run should that ever happen. No good us claiming that such a marketplace depends on trust and if this is broken we will vote with our (digital, they have toes) feet, they don't give a ****! Caveat Emptor, of course; this is the fundamental basis of any and all buyers' legal position once the seller or his agent has paid the minimum lipservice required to be acting within the existing law. Any proposed change to the law in favour of the buyer will elicit vociferous and powerful lobbying against it on the basis that normal business will be irreversably damaged by such legislation, in the same way as protests against raising minimum wage or establishing tenants rights. Call me cynical, but... 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swissrail Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, The Johnster said: Any proposed change to the law in favour of the buyer will elicit vociferous and powerful lobbying against it on the basis that normal business will be irreversably damaged by such legislation, in the same way as protests against raising minimum wage or establishing tenants rights. Call me cynical, but... Absolutely. Such arguments were presumably levelled at those who wanted to abolish slavery. "How am I going to run my business at a profit if I have to pay these people". Arguments for 'deregulation' are nowadays being peddled by those on the right of politics...and for the very same reason...because it's more profitable to destroy our environment than it is to do the right thing by our children and grandchildren. How these laissez-faire capitalist sociopaths sleep at night I have no idea. Edited March 21, 2023 by Swissrail 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 58 minutes ago, Swissrail said: How these laissez-faire capitalist sociopaths sleep at night I have no idea. Very well indeed, on large comfortable beds, most likely in the company of someone most attractive and attentive, as do the champagne socialists that class themselves our liberal elite. Call me cynical, but, I think that both sides are p***ing down our backs and telling us that it's raining. Still, I'm optimistic, at least here we can more or less say what we think (for now) and we're not getting shot at that often, unlike a lot of places I've been... I suspect that it's in the post though. People who have the same opinions, beliefs, tastes and interests are much easier to sell products to and much easier to enslave. Think how much richer the sociopaths would become! 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Besley Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 On 19/03/2023 at 09:35, Enterprisingwestern said: You'll be asking a lot of questions if you look at his other listings! Mike. Can you confirm what you are selling as you can't be selling 80064 I know that much, you adverts are very missleading... my message Can he be reported 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, John Besley said: Can you confirm what you are selling as you can't be selling 80064 I know that much, you adverts are very missleading... my message Can he be reported Possibly, but as expounded in the posts above, like Will Hay in Oh Mr Porter you're wasting your time.... And we will of course waste time watching you waste your time. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2023 1 hour ago, MrWolf said: Very well indeed, on large comfortable beds, most likely in the company of someone most attractive and attentive, Talking of which, what's that Murdoch bloke got? Is he attracting women with irons? Mike. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Talking of which, what's that Murdoch bloke got? Is he attracting women with irons? Mike. Oh, we mustn't think like that! Remember what wealthy celebrities on a health trip tell you after a summer long visit to a wellbeing retreat in Tibet. Money isn't the answer to your problems...... 😊 Edited March 21, 2023 by MrWolf 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 I call it the Debbie Magee theory after Mrs Mertons legendary question: "So, what attracted you to the multi millionaire?" 🤣 1 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted March 21, 2023 Share Posted March 21, 2023 24 minutes ago, John M Upton said: I call it the Debbie Magee theory after Mrs Mertons legendary question: "So, what attracted you to the multi millionaire?" 🤣 Quite. There's no such thing as an ugly rich man. Bring on exhibit A, Mr Donald Trump... That said, I like to think that I'm proof that it isn't a universal truth. I'm as poor as a crow. Let's not chew that particular stick, as my other half may start to question her sanity. 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 (edited) Speaking of Mendacious Chisellers, I have noticed one seller has just listed several items of US outline HO that I recognise as being on sale at Ally Pally over the weekend, except that they have failed to mention that the original retailer was selling them as seen on a spares/repair basis and they are starting the bidding at a point at least 25% more than they would have paid for them... I predict trouble ahead for this opportunist seller. Edited March 21, 2023 by John M Upton 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2023 Contacted the seller for this one, picture of the box, no sign of any pictures of the contents!!! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/385494124206 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 55 minutes ago, John M Upton said: I call it the Debbie Magee theory after Mrs Mertons legendary question: "So, what attracted you to the multi millionaire?" 🤣 "Mrs Gostude?" 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 26 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Quite. There's no such thing as an ugly rich man. Bring on exhibit A, Mr Donald Trump... That said, I like to think that I'm proof that it isn't a universal truth. I'm as poor as a crow. Let's not chew that particular stick, as my other half may start to question her sanity. As a crow, you say? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 16 minutes ago, John M Upton said: Speaking of Mendacious Chisellers, I have noticed one seller has just listed several items of US outline HO that I recognise as being on sale at Ally Pally over the weekend, except that they have failed to mention that the original retailer was selling them as seen on a spares/repair basis and they are starting the bidding at a point at least 25% more than they would have paid for them... I predict trouble ahead for this opportunist seller. Great for the seller, bad for the modelling hobby? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul H Vigor Posted March 22, 2023 Share Posted March 22, 2023 12 hours ago, Swissrail said: They're certainly a law unto themselves: Mendacious chisellers - they're not interested. Counterfeit goods - they're not interested. Misrepresentation - they're not interested. Dishonest statements of origin - they're not interested. The only thing they are interested in is raking in the cash and if that means accepting business from sellers who espouse one or more of the above vices, then so be it. Like Pirates of the Caribbean, without the Caribbean? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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