Kirkby Luneside (Original): End of the line....

[Martinaston]

Just a thought......................................how about if the NER branch was designed as an end to end rather than a roundy-roundy. You could then set a couple of trains off on their merry way on the main line and run the occasional train along the NER and back.

 

That might open up a whole new range of options geometry wise.

[Physicsman]

Hi Joseph.

 

The "inviolate" station area refers to a comparison with the prototype at Kirkby Stephen.

 

KL had a number of extra bits added in, which cluttered the station and added little. This time I've added nothing and gone back to the original. Aside from having to curve the platforms and the end of the goods yard, it's as close to KS as I can get into 16'. So I don't intend to change the content.

 

Wherever the NER line is, there is the issue of curving the line to pass through a viaduct/under a bridge - and I don't want radii of less than 30". I did originally set the NER yard under the S&C, but there's a lot of wiring/Cobalts under there, so I'd rather have it clear of them.

 

I'm not doing any more revisions at the moment. As you say, woodcutting - and I'm going to do the base with an L-girder design, is at least 9 months away.

 

Jeff

[Physicsman]

Just a thought......................................how about if the NER branch was designed as an end to end rather than a roundy-roundy. You could then set a couple of trains off on their merry way on the main line and run the occasional train along the NER and back.

 

That might open up a whole new range of options geometry wise.

 

Yes, it would certainly simplify the passage through the viaduct and bridge!

 

Call me a fool, but I'm a pushover for roundy-roundys - if they are possible....

 

Jeff

[Physicsman]

Perfick!

Just do it, matey - I love that version.

JE

 

Must admit, I quite like it too. So no more major changes in the foreseeable future.

 

Maybe the thread can discuss something else....?

 

Jeff

Edited December 11, 2013 by Physicsman

[Chipster]

I'm not quite sure because I don''t know exactly what you mean by the "station design being inviolate". Did you manage to save some complete boards with track and pointwork intact?

 

If you did not, a curve throughout the whole  station area would  help  greatly.

 

Hi Joseph.

 

The "inviolate" station area refers to a comparison with the prototype at Kirkby Stephen.

 

KL had a number of extra bits added in, which cluttered the station and added little. This time I've added nothing and gone back to the original. Aside from having to curve the platforms and the end of the goods yard, it's as close to KS as I can get into 16'. So I don't intend to change the content.

 

Wherever the NER line is, there is the issue of curving the line to pass through a viaduct/under a bridge - and I don't want radii of less than 30". I did originally set the NER yard under the S&C, but there's a lot of wiring/Cobalts under there, so I'd rather have it clear of them.

 

I'm not doing any more revisions at the moment. As you say, woodcutting - and I'm going to do the base with an L-girder design, is at least 9 months away.

 

Jeff

 

Hi Jeff

 

Just before you all go & discuss something else can I throw another spanner in the works??   NO???   Well I'm going to anyway!!

 

I'm pretty sure (I'll be checking next time I'm over that way) that Kirkby Stephen West IS actually on a curve, albeit a very gentle one.

 

I very much like Joseph's idea AND it would be comparable with KSW prototype.

 

Photographic evidence may follow in the next week or 3.

 

 

Chip

[Physicsman]

Hi Chip.

 

If you look at what I've done.... I've curved the platforms from end to end. The track is curved from the viaduct to the single slip and the curve continues for most of the goods area and out of the south end of the station. Short of having a curved single and double slip I can't do more.

 

Besides, if you look at the plan of KS (below) you'll see the curve IS there, but only a slight one.

 

 

I'm shutting up shop for now on the plans.

 

Jeff

[Andrew P]

So the Planning Dept is closed for the next 9 Months, and with a resounding vote of confidence in its Management Team of Jeff, Physicsman, Senior Lunester and The Boss, well done all of you.             :no: :no:

 

Tonight you can have 4 Hours sleep instead of 2 and work on Your Next Great discussion.

 

How about real Bonsai Trees alongside KL Station?

 

Set in a trough with a plastic liner, and into little pots, some Cat Litter around the base, I can see it now, Little Bonsai Specialist queuing up at the door for a look around the real growing KL2.

 

Oh I do talk some rubbish when I'm borde.

 

Bodgit the Terrible

[Jason T]

If you want to drive yourself potty with soldering tiny pieces of brass incredibly carefully together (whilst ensuring that they still move where required), with a 'kit' that consists of different widths of brass rod, tube and wire, tiny etches, scant instructions, the necessity to alter a lot of the components in the 'kit' with a piercing saw and files and hope to God it all looks ok in the end because the eyes of a number of experts are on you, may I suggest that you start to build the signals you'll require?  

 

It's not all that bad really, I'm quite enjoying building the signal for Bacup in a weird way. It just takes a bit of both logical and lateral thinking at times (and the right tools)

[Chipster]

Hi Jeff

 

"Short of having a curved single and double slip I can't do more."

 

SORRY, That just shows my inexperience with such matters as track geometry had never crossed my mind!!

 

Chip

[Alister_G]

"Short of having a curved single and double slip I can't do more."

 

Well, I managed it...

 

 

Yes, yes, I'm going now...

 

[Joseph_Pestell]

At the risk of being banished for still discussing the plan (I came in late), Jeff's copy of the map makes my point. He has got too much curve on the platforms and not enough through the rest of the station. Providing that will give the elliptical shape that I mentioned in an earlier post. As you will know, I am in the middle of a thread on trackwork so I fully understand the issues of putting those slip points on a curve. So it probably needs just a couple of feet of straight track for those.

 

It does not just benefit the look of the station (and KSW is one of my favourites) but by moving the mainline track a bit closer to the garage wall it gives a bit more flexibility for the operating wells and the NE branch.

[jamie92208]

What's the problem with slips on curve, Green Ayre has a single slip on a curve at the western exit fromt he station and a baseboard joint through the middle of it.  We wondered when we built it if it would work.  Plan B was to make the pointwork as a removeable unit but things weem to run through it OK.

 

Jamie

[Jason T]

May I just add that Templot is now free

 

http://www.templot.com/martweb/templot_upgrade.htm

 

Even if you're not going to build your own curved single slips (and that would be a toughie to start with), Templot is worth downloading and messing around with although your hair may go prematurely grey

[Physicsman]

Can I remind everybody that I'm not trying to make an exact copy of the prototype?

 

KSW has been used as a guide, in order to get the general track formations correct.

 

I think the curve into and out of the station looks fine to my eye - it's better than KL and that worked fine.

 

Appreciate the comments, as usual!

 

Jeff

[jamie92208]

Can I remind everybody that I'm not trying to make an exact copy of the prototype?

 

KSW has been used as a guide, in order to get the general track formations correct.

 

I think the curve into and out of the station looks fine to my eye - it's better than KL and that worked fine.

 

Appreciate the comments, as usual!

 

Jeff

To quote the late David Jenkinson, "It's your trainset so what you want goes."

 

Jamie

[Andrew P]

At the risk of being banished for still discussing the plan (I came in late), Jeff's copy of the map makes my point. He has got too much curve on the platforms and not enough through the rest of the station. Providing that will give the elliptical shape that I mentioned in an earlier post. As you will know, I am in the middle of a thread on trackwork so I fully understand the issues of putting those slip points on a curve. So it probably needs just a couple of feet of straight track for those.

 

It does not just benefit the look of the station (and KSW is one of my favourites) but by moving the mainline track a bit closer to the garage wall it gives a bit more flexibility for the operating wells and the NE branch.

Lets just remember, Jeff is modelling Kirkby Luneside, NOT Kirkby Stephen, so if the layout was upside down it wouldn't matter, if it was curving the other way, it wouldn't matter, if it was Great Western it wouldn't matter.

What Jeff is modelling is a Model of an imaginary Station on the Settle and Carlile that is  SIMILAR IN MANY WAYS to a Station on the S & C.

He has reached a FINAL TRACK PLAN and will be using Marcway points that fit his track profile so now let him move onto something else.

 

Andy, (in no way related to or associated with the above mentioned person or Layout)

[Physicsman]

Time for a catch-up on here after 2 photo sessions and 3 lots of viewings.

 

I think I should have been an estate agent, though I maybe talk TOO much.....

 

Anyway, the layout plan has been put to rest for a few months. So what I want to ask is this (I have ideas from books, but I want YOUR opinions):

 

What 3 or 4 locos would YOU have if you were running a NER line. Provide some photos if you wish. 

 

I'll create a wish list to add to the one I already have!

 

Jeff

[Dr Gerbil-Fritters]

post 10231

 

hat, coat, leaves

[Physicsman]

post 10231

 

hat, coat, leaves

 

If I ran that monstrosity 'CHARD would never forgive me!

 

And I don't think I'd forgive myself!!

 

Jeff

[Paul Cram]

For the area I would suggest a J21 and possibly a J25, J26 or J27 for freight workings. Unfortunately non of them are available ready to run. If sticking to ready to run then a J38 and a D49 would fit the bill

[Physicsman]

For the area I would suggest a J21 and possibly a J25, J26 or J27 for freight workings. Unfortunately non of them are available ready to run. If sticking to ready to run then a J38 and a D49 would fit the bill

 

Cheers Paul.

 

This is exactly the kind of thing I want to know. And I have to admit, I haven't got a clue what a J38 or D49 looks like! Time to do a bit of research.

 

I expected the first nomination to be one of the Ivatt Moguls.

 

Jeff

[Paul Cram]

Cheers Paul.

 

This is exactly the kind of thing I want to know. And I have to admit, I haven't got a clue what a J38 or D49 looks like! Time to do a bit of research.

 

I expected the first nomination to be one of the Ivatt Moguls.

 

Jeff

Bit of a typo there I meant J39. Similar to a J38 but the J38 were more common in Scotland. Bachmann do a model of a J39 (0-6-0) and Hornby a D49 (4-4-0)

[60091]

Good idea to call a halt to KL2 planning. After over a year I'm knee deep in paper covered in plans and sketches for a new layout. And they're just my ideas - no input from others ....and I've only got a couple of 4ft x 1.5ft boards to cover!

 

Unfortunately I'm one of those who've fallen victim to a useless Windows 8.1 upgrade (my a**s) so now can't link to previous posts or post photos.

 

Re post 10294

Locos for the branch. I think I'm probably in a minority on the site as I'm happy with a very limited number of different classes running in a limited time period. 

So if I was running KL2 it would be 1966-7with the branch only be open as far as the quarries near KS.

 

Therefore - 2x 43xxx 4MTs -I've always liked these locos.

                   1x 77xxx BR Standard 2-6-0

                   1x Class 17 Clayton

   possibly-  1x Class 101 mixed green/overall blue livery (modellers licence assuming through passenger working continued running after '62)

 

I know there's been a lot of discussion about what was going to run on KL1 but I don't remember if you mentioned exactly what time scale you were hoping to model. Was it mid 50s-1967 to give a good variety of locos and services?

Therefore the choice would be - 1x 43xxx 2-6-0

                                                    1x 46xxx 2-6-0

                                                    2x J21/J25 0-6-0s to restore a NE flavour

                                                    1x Class 101

I'm assuming a small fiddle yard so no room for summer Saturday Blackpool traffic, therefore these should be able to cover short freights and a local loco hauled/DMU passenger service.

Disclaimer - being somewhat out of touch with OO gauge steam, I have no idea if all of the above are available RTR. I think 20 years ago only the 101 would have been available RTR!

 

Just caught up with the previous posts so J21s 25s only available as kits.

 

Alan

Edited December 12, 2013 by 60091

[Andrew P]

Time for a catch-up on here after 2 photo sessions and 3 lots of viewings.

 

I think I should have been an estate agent, though I maybe talk TOO much.....

 

Anyway, the layout plan has been put to rest for a few months. So what I want to ask is this (I have ideas from books, but I want YOUR opinions):

 

What 3 or 4 locos would YOU have if you were running a NER line. Provide some photos if you wish. 

 

I'll create a wish list to add to the one I already have!

 

Jeff

Jeff, I'm waiting for Bachmann to re do the J39 but I don't know if it would have run on that line or not, maybe Jason can enlighten us, I will have one just because.

 

Now I NEED the L & Y Tank having just read some reviews,

and a J11 out sooooooon I hope.

 

 

I must stop buying Locos, I DON'T NEED anymore.

 

Bodgit

Edited December 12, 2013 by Andrew P

[Jason T]

Jeff has the reference book at the moment but I am pretty sure that J39's neve saw action on the Stainburn route. Of the RTR market, all you really have are Ivatt 4MT's, Standard 4MT 2-6-0's, Mickey Mouse 2-6-0's and if you are prepared to hack one up, then Mike Edge is bringing out a conversion kit to build a Standard 2-6-0 (can't remember the class). Kit building, a J21 would be the one to go for. I would happily help