Poe Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Hello, Any idea what the correct coaches are for this model please: http://www.gaugemaster.com/item_details.asp?code=VTV2063 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 PS: Dont forget to put your clocks forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Any idea what the correct coaches are for this model please: http://www.gaugemast...sp?code=VTV2063 This seems to be fairly typical. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2nFMAn9DS0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BP0MRQ9XDc (note it had lost the name plate and gained Freightliner logos) Cheers David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madcaravanner Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Coaches would most probably be MK2F TSO/FO the buffet would be most probably a MK1 RMB the Brake would be a BSO but MK2 D probably Like this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Coaches would most probably be MK2F TSO/FO the buffet would be most probably a MK1 RMB the Brake would be a BSO but MK2 D probably Only one of the 29ish virgin brakes was a Mk2D BSO the rest were an approx 50/50 split between Mk2E/F. Mk1 RMBs were replaced with Mk2F RFBs well before the locos were painted red. The majority of sets were BSO, 5*TSO and a RFB. The BSO normally had the brake outwards; the RFB should have the buffet next to the last TSO to avoid having steerage walking through first, however, it was regularly the other way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Poe Posted March 25, 2012 Author Share Posted March 25, 2012 thanks, seems on most of the videos they pull 4 coaches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickL2008 Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 the 4 coaches were for the north wales Coast services etc ... I asked this same questino a while ago about a correct formation of VT coaches to go with my 47805 and 828. The coaches used were normally Mark 2E/F as everyone else has already mentioned, pending on the train they were 6-8 coaches long NL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 ISTR that the loco hauled XC rakes were generally 6 coaches long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Officially most of the rakes were seven coaches long but I've seen numerous photos (and see the attached list) where the rake was a coach short. Excel document of the Virgin XCountry rake consists as of 7 March 2002 attached, I really can't remember where I downloaded this from. The original had the West Coast rakes as well. Virgin rakes 2002.xls The colours are based on the 2001 Platform 5 book, red for Virgin livery and black for InterCity. By 2002 virtually all the stock had been repainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 26, 2012 Author Share Posted March 26, 2012 shame it was a nice colour scheme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted March 26, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2012 Class 47 + 7 Mk2 coaches was typical, mostly 2e/f as others have noted. These trains were used on Cross-Country routes (in effect anywhere between Penzance and Aberdeen including trips to Bournemouth nad Brighton)alongside 2+7 HST sets. Cross-country trains had previously been somewhat longer and in certain casses conveyed two portions which were split or combined en route such as Plymouth - Glasgow / Edinburgh which split at Carstairs. In BR IC sector days they were shortened to a standard 7-car formation in order to be accelerated to near-HST timings. Hornby has issued the TSO, BSO and FO vehicles which approximate to(but don't exactly match) the coaches required although some adaptation is required to represent the actual Virgin sets as the FO was modified to offer buffet facilities and coded RFO for which some slight structural alterations are required to the Hornby item. Longer and shorter rakes have been noted at times including in the later days of loco-hauled workings some 6-car sets with only 4xTSO instead of 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 26, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2012 a previous thread on the XC sets http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/44060-virgin-cross-country-mk2-formations/page__fromsearch__1 (knew it was there somewhere, but it took me to find it!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 a previous thread on the XC sets http://www.rmweb.co....__fromsearch__1 (knew it was there somewhere, but it took me to find it!) Thanks, but i dont understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 27, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 27, 2012 Not sure what it is you dont understand, just a link to previous topic about the XC sets which i thought might be useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Members 403 posts Posted 03 September 2011 - 22:03 This was the situation in mid-2000 Set G F E D C B A Last seen XC15 1209 6000 6022 5962 6041 5906 9521 15/07/00 XC16 1200 6035 6135 6105 6115 6168 9537 08/07/00 XC17 1258 5916 6148 6014 6066 6050 9539 08/07/00 XC18 1212 5918 5995 6145 5983 5912 9489 08/07/00 XC19 1203 5965 6013 6154 5913 6150 9526 10/04/00 XC20 1201 6176 6119 5961 6177 6038 9527 10/06/00 XC21 1259 6018 6073 6159 5859 6010 9538 08/07/00 XC22 1254 6117 6122 5919 5960 6173 9525 09/07/00 XC23 1202 6015 6046 5996 5917 6026 9513 08/07/00 XC24 1210 5815 5901 5886 5843 5787 9502 20/04/00 XC25 1216 5881 5775 5773 5745 5750 9503 17/06/00 XC30 1252 5967 6059 6112 6184 5975 9522 15/07/00 XC31 1252 5930 5999 6061 6172 9516 25/06/00 XC32 1250 6030 5911 6162 6008 6024 9531 05/05/00 XC33 1205 5989 5971 6137 5991 6183 9529 08/07/00 XC34 1255 6025 6005 5947 5994 5951 9523 09/07/00 XC35 1260 5976 6170 6067 6064 6157 9520 27/05/00 XC36 1256 6052 5958 6178 5925 5981 9505 08/07/00 XC37 1208 5847 5801 5821 5784 5746 9498 27/06/00 XC38 1221 5796 5827 5789 5897 5824 9489 08/06/00 XC39 1207 5828 5902 5868 5889 5893 9506 27/06/00 XC40 1214 5888 5788 5866 5779 5854 9537 09/04/00 XC41 1215 5812 5797 5816 5776 5814 9496 23/04/00 XC42 1211 5794 5769 5748 5792 5752 9497 16/07/00 XC43 1206 5754 5845 5876 5899 5905 9504 09/07/00 XC46 5812 1253 5791 5843 5887 5900 9508 17/06/00 Vehicles in bold still had Intercity livery then. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The first line is the explanation of the Set No, the individual coach letters and the date last seen. Coaches carried stick-on letters so the passengers with reserved seats could find their correct coach. Taking set XC43 as an example we first have the rake number which was for paper purposes only. 1206 was an Buffet Open First (RFB) coach, a Mk2f first open that had 22 seats removed and two windows blanked off to make space for a buffet. The next five coaches were Tourist Second Open (TSO) coaches numbered between 57xx and 61xx. 5744 to 5907 were Mk2e, 5908 to 6184 were Mk2f. The simple comparison is that Mk2e TSO coaches had two air-con fans on the chassis (like the Hornby Mk2d) and Mk2f TSO coaches had one larger fan and a revised box to the left of it (like the Lima Mk2f). Finally 9504 was a Brake Second Open (BSO) coach. 9496 to 9509 were Mk2e, 9513 to 9539 were Mk2f. The air-con brake coaches only needed one air-con fan so Mk2e BSO coaches have one small fan, Mk2f BSO coaches have one large fan. In the list above the bold are in InterCity livery the others are in Virgin. In my list the Virgin liveried coaches are in red. The final column in the list above is the date that rake was last seen. In the 1980s coaching stock rakes had stock with mixed repair dates so although the formations stayed pretty much as planned the actual vehicles changed pretty often. By the late 1990s/2000s rakes went to Works as a complete set. For useful information/photos etc. look at an exhibition/book shop/ebay/the net for a British Railways Coaching Stock Pocket Book published by Platform 5 from around the date you need (1997 to 2002). This will give you all the different variations in livery, air con systems and coach depot allocation as well as photos of the stock. I now read coach numbers on a page and see a vision of the coach in my head but I started to collect coach numbers in 1983. I realise that most people are not as used to identifying coaches as I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted March 28, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2012 Apologies poe, i just had a quick skim of the old topic. forgot how involved it was! like flood, i'm used to the coach types used, where others may not be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 yea no worries! if you could point me in the direction of a few Hornby coches that i could use like that would be fantastic, i was going o get the brake coach is that one ok? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The Hornby coaches that fit are reference numbers R4086 for the second class, R4087 for the brake and R4088 for the first class. They appear on ebay every so often and I did see some of the seconds on a stall at Ally Pally last year (2011) but they haven't been made for a few years. R4086 is sometimes described as a composite (first and second class) as shown here on ebay http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_nkw=Hornby+r4086. It isn't a composite, the model is of a full second which is what you will need. Here http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hornby-2x-OO-Gauge-Virgin-125-Passenger-Coach-Carriage-/170799326947?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item27c46ee6e3 are a brake and second coach which seem pretty good value at £25. They are described as Virgin 125 Passenger Coaches, they aren't. The coaches used on the Inter City 125s (HSTs) were Mk3 stock which were longer with ribbed roofs. Mk2 stock has a predominantly smooth roof. If you type Hornby virgin into ebay you should find a number of items that are currently for sale. Note: none of these are my sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 Much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted March 29, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2012 The same outline models are currently available from Hornby in IC livery which will cover much of the time period if not in the distinctive red livery. Hornby's representation of the IC livery is so far adrift from reality that they could do with a re-spray anyway Same issues apply - you need to modify the First buffet and possibly the underside fans depending upon how accuraet you wish to be. My own VT XC set is currently formed of 7 Hornby coaches presently unmodified apart from a very light weathering. The RFB alterations are scheduled on the workbench during our upcoming winter period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted March 29, 2012 Share Posted March 29, 2012 Goodness is it really nearly 10 years ago these trains disappeared from XC workings? Time flies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted March 29, 2012 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2012 Ten years !!! I still have difficulty with the fact that it is now easier to travel in a Mk2 coach in Wellington or Auckland than in most parts of the UK. I was never quite sure about the bold red livery but it certainly stood out and on the WCML still does so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Posted March 29, 2012 Author Share Posted March 29, 2012 The same outline models are currently available from Hornby in IC livery which will cover much of the time period if not in the distinctive red livery. Hornby's representation of the IC livery is so far adrift from reality that they could do with a re-spray anyway Same issues apply - you need to modify the First buffet and possibly the underside fans depending upon how accuraet you wish to be. My own VT XC set is currently formed of 7 Hornby coaches presently unmodified apart from a very light weathering. The RFB alterations are scheduled on the workbench during our upcoming winter period. In that case is it best going for the Bachmann ones instead? if they make them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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