rob D2 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Hi all, Quick question - I want to renumber the Bachmann split box 45053 to something else (preferably not a namer.Hopefully a Bristol /cardiff/laira based example and mainly early 80s. I wonder if someone has the allocations from early 80s and can give me the lists or some examples. Come to think of it I,m not sure laira had any 45s by this point ? I know the 46s left there in 1980 ..... Any help appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 As far as I know the Western Region never had any Class 45s or 46s allocated after the 46s left Laira in 1980. That said I saw 45036, 45042, 45101, 45105, 45110, 45115, 45132, 46037 and 46047 at Exeter on one day in 1984 and 45003, 45105, 45110 and 45121 on one day in 1985 so regardless of the allocation they were still working to Plymouth and Paignton. The problem you have got is that by the summer of 1979 there were only eleven 45/0s and four 45/1s still with split boxes. Give me about an hour and I can find out when these had the noses ends redone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimbamoss Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Hi Rob, My Summer 1982 Motive power pocket book states all 46's had moved (at least on paper) to Gateshead, the 45'1s where all based at Toton and the 0's where spread between Ti (Tinsley) and TO (Toton). The 1981 Locoshed has 46's no. 006, 007, 010, 018, 020, 021 and 022 based at Laira with the rest at Gateshead. It is worth looking at websites such as Sixbells Junction to see what variety was around during the times you want to model, or a visit to flickr or just a google search to the areas is a start. hope this makes sense, good luck, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Okay then not a perfect answer but here goes: 45025, 45027, 45047, 45053 and 45061 were all withdrawn with split headcode boxes. 45053 was in store at Crewe from 1980 November 1981 to 1983 when it was officially withdrawn. So the last split headcode 45s in traffic were 45061 which lasted until August 1981 and 45053. 45053 was not actually cut up until 1988. 45054 and 45062 were done with plain nose ends in Sept 1979. 45013 was done by May 1980. 45017, 45051 and 45057 were done between 1980 and 1981. The 45/1s were all done by August 1982 (going by photos) and they probably all had new noses by some time in 1981 at the latest. Therefore the split headcode box peaks still around from 1980 to 1982 were 45017, 45025, 45027, 45047, 45051, 45053, 45057, 45061, 45120, 45127, 45132 and 45150. Edited by Flood following later posts by Rob and DerekEm8, plus see this link http://www.flickr.co...006/5458619295/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Okay then not a perfect answer but here goes: Therefore the split headcode box peaks still around from 1980 to 1982 were 45017, 45025, 45027, 45047, 45051, 45053, 45057, 45061, 45120, 45127, 45132 and 45150. I had a quick look through my pictures (taken from Jan 1980) and the only split box I have found so far in my W.R. pictures is 45051 which backs up Floods more comprehensive reply, Passing through the carriage wash at Bristol West is 45051 on its way with ECS to Malago Vale C.S., 11/2/80 cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Flood, Slight correction 45053 was still in service until at least June 1981 (and working NE-SW trains) At York 18th April 1981 Bristol 26 June 1981 And was still in the scrap lines at Crewe 13 October 1985 HTH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted August 16, 2012 Author Share Posted August 16, 2012 Thanks folks . When you say done flood you mean sealed over noses ? I see that '053 would still be appropriate but I like to change the chunky Bachmann numbers anyway so maybe '051 as we have WR proof there ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 My understanding is that 053 was indeed the last split box peak (and on scrapping donated its nose ends to the resoration of D100 Sherwood Forester). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted August 16, 2012 Share Posted August 16, 2012 Thanks to Derek for the clarification, I got my information from Marsden's BR Locomotive Numbering book. Just goes to show that you should always check your sources. Yes Rob, when I say "done" I do mean them having the plain noses with marker lights. Re your post Andy I had heard the same about 45053s boxes going onto 45060 but I was corrected by a member of the local railway club who knows Mike Jacob. As far as I can remember the boxes were fabricated at Toton when the loco was restored there in 1987 (ducks head to receive flak for having an incorrect memory). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterbournecm Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 I was a peak headcode junky in my teenage years. Was always on the lookout for the elusive peak with box headcodes and only saw 053 in the Crewe scrapline (twice). Had better luck with headcode panel examples, 45036, 066, 128, 144, 46037 though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted August 19, 2012 Share Posted August 19, 2012 just as an aside, back in the early 70s we spotters had a slightly different set of descriptions for the peaks one to tenners box headcode split headcode centre headcode in our system, split headcode meant a centre headcode divided by a bar and we didn't bother that 45s and 46s were different D9 was an oddity as were the few that had different styles at each end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekEm8 Posted August 21, 2012 Share Posted August 21, 2012 Variations on a theme Derby Works yard 29 November 1980 45070,45127,451xx Derby Works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossfell5 Posted August 24, 2012 Share Posted August 24, 2012 If you choose to do 45120 she was Split-box 1 end only! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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