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I noticed this football card sold on ebay recently for about £20. The description dates it between 1890 and 1920. A little research into the cards says that the company that produced them specialised in little known local teams. I didn't know there was once a Riccarton Junction FC!

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Canonbie Coalfield

 

Recent reports about coal-mining in the Canonbie coalfield were a bit ambiguous, however, this morning (15 November) the "Eskdale and Liddesdale Advertiser" carried a report from the company responsible: "tunnels would be dug from the western end and railway line which was the obvious route from which to transport the coal" ... "There is capacity on the railway line and we have talked to the companies which can move the coal." ... "the benefit to the community would be 300 to 500 jobs, while the disbenefit would be more road traffic and a coal tip."

 

A further report in the newspaper said that Keir Minerals gave a presentation of their plans for an opencast coal mine to the west of the A7 to Canonbie Community Council.

 

I guess we won't be seeing modern versions of the ghosts of coal-carrying trains from the old mine at Rowanburn using the southern end of the Waverley Route.

 

Bruce

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With the MoD depot at Longtown likely to close soon, I suspect the plan may well be to establish a loading point there.

It's how it gets to the loading point that concerns me, the roads get a pounding round this way as it is.

Mac suggests that a long conveyer might be used and I suppose that would be preferable to taking it out by road.

 

Dave.

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I'm touchy about this one at the moment. You couldn't so much as sneeze in the Borough of Tower Hamlets without an Environmental Impact Statement, yet the content on Canonbie put into the public domain so far seems incredibly short on practical detail.

 

Hmmmmmm

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Not a link but just to make you aware that the December edition of "Steam Days" has an eight page spread of Waverley Route colour shots. Some of them look very familiar but there are a few which I haven't seen before, including one from Gavin Morrison of double headed B1s at Steele Road on the RCTS Borders Railtour of 9/7/61.

 

 

Bill

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Everyone will recognise this location - copies of this photo available from Colour Rail at http://www.colour-rail.com - might just get one myself!

 

http://www.colour-ra...at=6&Ref=364217

 

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Actually, there are one or two new ones on their online database that they didn't have last time I looked, such as:

 

http://www.colour-rail.com/Preview.ashx?Cat=1&Ref=363694

 

http://www.colour-rail.com/Preview.ashx?Cat=6&Ref=363458

 

http://www.colour-rail.com/Preview.ashx?Cat=6&Ref=SC1283

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Everyone will recognise this location - copies of this photo available from Colour Rail at http://www.colour-rail.com - might just get one myself!

 

http://www.colour-ra...at=6&Ref=364217

 

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Actually, there are one or two new ones on their online database that they didn't have last time I looked, such as:

 

http://www.colour-ra...at=1&Ref=363694

 

http://www.colour-ra...at=6&Ref=363458

 

http://www.colour-ra...at=6&Ref=SC1283

I think the latter 3 were in Robothams colour volume if memory serves?

 

My copy disappeared out of the shed at Whitrope when I lived there so I couldn't check for any photographers names.

 

The 1st certainly was as its recongnisable by the 4 brick wagons behind the tender.

It also appeared twice at Sandholm.

 

One of the few captions I believe he got correct actually.

 

Mac.

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With the MoD depot at Longtown likely to close soon, I suspect the plan may well be to establish a loading point there.

It's how it gets to the loading point that concerns me, the roads get a pounding round this way as it is.

Mac suggests that a long conveyer might be used and I suppose that would be preferable to taking it out by road.

 

Dave.

Its been done elsewhere and limits impact.

 

They cost millions to instal but not as much as a railway would, very unfortunate as that may be.

 

Mac.

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Is it me or does the random wiping of the tender make it look like the legend British Railways or N.E on similar there?

Did any carry that?

 

Mac.

That's quite possible - the LNER had 200 of them, numbered 3000 - 3199. A lot of them carried 63xxx numbers under BR before being renumbered in the 90xxx series.

Bill

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Never seen a photo of a WD on the Waverley or otherwise with British Railways as the legend on the tender.

I have seen those tenders used on the exchange trials when they where carried behind The Coronation Scots on the Southern with British Railways emblazoned.

 

Good spot if that is the 1st on the route....

 

Mac.

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Robin Barbour photographed 90705 southbound through Hawick in 1958.

 

http://www.railbrit....te.php?id=25897

 

He also photographed 90004 on shed at Hawick in the same year but that doesn't seem to have appeared on Railscot yet.

 

Bill

 

PS The date is 24th August 1958

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Bridge 11 A68 Sheriffhall in rear traversing the reverse curve to Bridge 12 Glenesk Viaduct to the north of the Glenesk Jcn and Eskbank bud if no one has confirmed this for you yet.

 

Look on the photos under 'Bridges and Structures of the Waverley route' Bridge 11 that Tony G I believe sent to you.

 

P.s. that needs updating if you want to fire a mem stick our way?

Need to be 8 gig minimum.......

 

Mac.

 

That is indeed a new location - great shout. You can still clearly see the reverse curve on Google Earth, the scale of the A68 bridge isn't evident on the photo, but it is of course the impressive structure carrying the crossroads at Kings Gate Lodge, Sheriffhall. Is it intended that the rebuilt line joins the original route somewhere here, just south of the Edinburgh Southern By-Pass?

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A3 60101 Cicero, a less common face at Hawick:

http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=41163

Just a add on to this Photo of A3 60101 Cicero at Hawick, at sometime in the early Sixties I believe it was stored at St Boswells along with sister A3 60100 Spearmint. How long they resided here is also unknown unless someone has further info on the subject.

 

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That is indeed a new location - great shout. You can still clearly see the reverse curve on Google Earth, the scale of the A68 bridge isn't evident on the photo, but it is of course the impressive structure carrying the crossroads at Kings Gate Lodge, Sheriffhall. Is it intended that the rebuilt line joins the original route somewhere here, just south of the Edinburgh Southern By-Pass?

It also happens to be in a new book.

 

Signed copies can be organised if so desired and I receive an email with a recipients address........

 

Mac.

 

P.s. New joins old formation immediately to the north of bridge 11.

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I'm pleased about that, so the only stretch not being reused is the length that skirts the woodland near Sheriffhall House - in fact which has now become one with that woodland as far as the A720. Great to hear that bridge 11 will see trains again.

 

Google Earth is not ideal for imagining the new course of the line in this area. But the folly of Millerhill is plain to see - the ranks of semi-mature trees clearly marking the down yards.

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Apologies if this has been covered before, but what purpose did the alcoves in the pillars of the Shankend Viaduct have?

 

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh595/Hawick_1987/Whitrope%20et%20al%202012/179.jpg

 

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh595/Hawick_1987/Whitrope%20et%20al%202012/180.jpg

 

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh595/Hawick_1987/Whitrope%20et%20al%202012/181.jpg

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Both north and south abutments are hollow as with most large viaducts on the route.

 

I can only assume it was an economy of material with the structural strength being provided by the side walls, deck and spandrels?

Usually the viaduct(s) were constructed and the spoil pushed/back filled up to them.

 

Dave may have a point in that they could well of been used as 'hidey holes' for the plate layers but as 'the Holm P-way' points out also, they were very unlikely to be storage.

 

Access was most probably left in my view for internal inspection of the structure, what other roles it provided are pure conjecture.

 

Good question though and I look forward to other explanations of more structurally qualified persons.

 

Mac.

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