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The source footage 'The Big Freeze' with Cliff Michelmore may well be on You Tube in its own right, Matt.*

 

On last night's programme, which I've just watched and enjoyed immensely (amazing and quite humbling actually), there's what looks like a fair amount of WR footage.

 

At 13.00 approx we see Whitrope box (accompanied by commentary of how a signalman tragically died in Lancashire), then what looks like a classic WR sheep bridge from a passenger train running wrong line, seen both in rear and forward looking aspects.  

 

Then at 14.00 approx, we see the clearance of the snow filled cutting, by a gang of blokes with shovels into what looks like a rake of Sturgeon wagons.  It's hard to tell from the white landscape where this is, but it's clearly the location that's entered folklore (north of Shankend, Ninestanerigg - one of you lads know!).

 

* checked - it is at the moment, here: 

 

 

EDIT: to amend Sturgeon/ Salmon brain-fade typo (and quote in post below)

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Believe it or not, the same shot on More 4 for a second, but the BBC programme was better. I'm almost sure there was a real fleeting shot of Steele Road just before Whitrope Box on the BBC.

B.

 

Sorry, YES!  I meant to mention this, Bruce.  Circa 12.55, I feel sure the station buildings are Steele Road.  Two steam locos are seen from an up train, back to back between ploughs, possibly one of NE provenance and a Black 5.  EDIT: Possibly a J39 and an 8F, based on repeat viewing.

 

I'm confident that is Steele Road.  Never seen the footage before.  

 

EDIT2: At 13.26 a pair of steam locos blasting their way through a huge drift filling a cutting that could be Whitrope south portal approach.

 

EDIT3: Watch to the end credits and notice that then undergraduate at the Royal College of Art, a certain 25y/o Ridley Scott was Designer of this piece.

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Then at 14.00 approx, we see the clearance of the snow filled cutting, by a gang of blokes with shovels into what looks like a rake of Sturgeon wagons.  It's hard to tell from the white landscape where this is, but it's clearly the location that's entered folklore (north of Shankend, Ninestanerigg - one of you lads know!).

 

 

I assume that this is the train shown in Stuart Sellar's photo on page 77 of Border Country Branch Line Album. It shows a J38 propelling a rake of Sturgeon wagons south on the Down line over the Golden Bridge, so is it safe to deduce that the gangs were going in to lift snow in Ninestanerigg cutting? Sturgeons would have been the ideal wagon for this task, having a low deck height, but how did the gangs get home once the wagons were full of the white stuff???

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 Two steam locos are seen from an up train, back to back between ploughs, possibly one of NE provenance and a Black 5.  EDIT: Possibly a J39 and an 8F, based on repeat viewing.

 

There is an oft shown clip of such a pairing (or similar) tackling the drifts on the NE Stainmore route (Cumbria/Durham)

 

Keith

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Somewhere in the archives we've a couple of 10"x8" black & white photos taken in Ninestane Rigg Cutting showing the snow clearance ... I think they're Hawick News provenance and guess they'd have made some of the papers around that time.

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Sorry about that I should have checked back , but as you say it is worth viewing again & not just for the pic but the information shown .

 

Here's a pic from my own collection of A2 60528 on a special at Hawick 23-4-66 .

 

Stewart .

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A little off-topic, but I recently encountered a curious argument over which Scottish town has the largest population, but no railway station within 2 miles.

 

Here were the main contenders:

 

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Now am I right in saying the Scottish Borders is the largest region in the U.K. to have no railway stations (yet)? Also, is Hawick the furthest town of over 10,000 people in Scotland from a railway station?

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Sorry about that I should have checked back , but as you say it is worth viewing again & not just for the pic but the information shown .

 

Here's a pic from my own collection of A2 60528 on a special at Hawick 23-4-66 .

 

Stewart .

And by the laws of coincidence, I met in Langholm a steam driver yesterday morning who'd driven "Blue Peter" and was on board the footplate during the infamous "wheel-slip" incident. Although we'd spoken upwards of a dozen times recently, neither of us had mentioned "Trains" - I guess that we'll have a lot to talk about when next we meet walking our dogs!

 

Bruce

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Some new images have appeared on Flickr that I don't think we have seen before

 

First a 5f with self weighing tender at the south end of Hawick platform? http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8425053898/in/photostream

 

Whitrope signal box http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8423953357/in/photostream

 

leaving Riccarton http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8423951901/in/photostream and

 

the box at Newcastleton http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8423949483/in/photostream

 

regards

Duncan

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Some new images have appeared on Flickr that I don't think we have seen before

 

First a WD at the south end of Hawick platform? http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8425053898/in/photostream

 

I don't think that's a WD. It looks to me like a Stanier 5 with a self-weighing tender, like this - http://www.flickr.com/photos/16749798@N08/4098449660/

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Agreed. Definitely a Five with a self-weigher but whose, when and why are what's interesting me. Kingmoor didn't as far as my knowledge extends have one of these.

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Having just come in off the Waverley Route, A2 60528 Tudor Minstrel brings 1X50 into Edinburgh on 23rd April 1966.

 

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Photo from http://www.flickr.com/photos/holycorner/8172214621

 

I wondered about the "0" of 1X50 having flapped over, and confirmation from Six Bells Junction has it like that when pictured earlier at Hawick:

 

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Gen on the tour is here: http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/60s/660423ar.html

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Last Weekend Footage on YouTube

 

Can anyone point me to the links that old Border TV (of blessed memory) had on YouTube? I suspect that the links are down as my searches throw up nothing.

 

Bruce

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It looks as though the Border TV archive is temporarily down for maintenance or perhaps another reason.  It's not confined to the rail footage, all the culture, arts, talking head and life and times stuff is presently innaccessible too.

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