Wright writes.....

[Tony Wright]

2 hours ago, micklner said:

Tony,

        Where have I ever said "Terrible, Frightful or Rough for any of your builds ?.

         I have commented on your useage of motors/gearboxes oversized for the kit you have built where they fill; the cab etc, and other minor points none with such terms ever being used. On this occasion your model had no Brakes fitted, only what I presume are the hangers on view and the word "Ugh" for the 1980's or earlier valve gear.

 

      You have made numerous comments re faults on my models in the past on here , normally on re very minor aspects, I have read the same on other peoples builds as well !!.

      The last posted on this thread by yourself  was relating to photos of some of  my Thompson Pacifics builds,  where you queried whether they were built straight, you even asked for further  3/4 views of the same models  . I posted other photos proving they were indeed straight , sadly you never responded any further either way with any further viewpoint. You then have said recently  its ok on another post  on here "that it does'nt matter if things are'nt that straight on occasions".

      I have no problem with any constructive criticisms that come either way on here or elsewhere . They are useful on further builds, if they are not possible to be rectified,  on the particular  build in question.

    The Valve Gear on your latest build is sorry,  poor quality hence "Ugh" and reflects 1980's or even earlier standards whenever they were actually made. Comments re hiding with weathering is not good advice for other modellers.

   I still have a dislike or the excuse of "layout" useage  for any faults. It gives the wrong impression to many other model builder, as to how to build any kind of models.

 

IMHO

 

 

 

Regards Mick

 

Good evening Mick,

 

The words you quote are what the (Concise) Oxford English Dictionary uses to define 'horrid'. Which is how you described the valve gear on my K2 model. 

 

Have I ever used such derogatory descriptions in commenting on your models? Or 'Ugh'? Or used such terms to describe other people's models? I never will!

 

Weathering any model's motion is not necessarily to hide any faults. It's just prototypical, and I'll always advise it. 

 

I stand firmly by my use of the term 'layout loco'. I didn't coin it, it was first used by Iain Rice and I'm more than happy to 'plagiarise' it. In fact, I consider it a compliment to one of the most-influential modellers of a generation, and certainly not in any way an 'excuse'. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

Edited August 18, 2023 by Tony Wright
to add something

[grahame]

As a break from the current little disagreement over comments, here's something a little different. There are no steamers or motion to comment on, in fact there are no trains at all. And I've not even laid any track (yet) but here's a pic of the latest development of my N/2mm layout. The buildings are only simply temporarily plonked in place. You can just make out where the lines will run with the bridge sides roughly in place in front of the cream/fawn coloured buildings - they will run behind the shop row on the left and off scene;

 

 

 

[micklner]

21 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

Good evening Mick,

 

The words you quote are what the (Concise) Oxford English Dictionary uses to define 'horrid'. Which is how you described the valve gear on my K2 model. 

 

Have I ever used such derogatory descriptions in commenting on your models? Or 'Ugh'? Or used such terms to describe other people's models? I never will!

 

Weathering any model's motion is not necessarily to hide any faults. It's just prototypical, and I'll always advise it. 

 

I stand firmly by my use of the term 'layout loco'. I didn't coin it, it was first used by Iain Rice and I'm more than happy to 'plagiarise' it. In fact, I consider it a compliment to one of the most-influential modellers of a generation, and certainly not in any way an 'excuse'. 

 

Regards,

 

Tony.  

We beg to differ .

Quoting a Dictionary is nothing to do with anything I wrote , a very simple common  word to me , that describes something that could have been done better if a bit more time had been taken.

 

Perhaps less criticism of other peoples builds may help in the future ?.

 

I'm off.

[cctransuk]

7 hours ago, micklner said:

Missing Brakes?

 

Valve Gear !! horrid !!

 

A perfectly valid personal opinion - best kept to oneself!

 

CJI.

[cctransuk]

Permanently?

 

CJI.

[micklner]

49 minutes ago, cctransuk said:

Permanently?

 

CJI.

u wish 🤪

[lezz01]

Hold fire guys I'll just get myself some more popcorn........

OK I'm back crack on.

Regards Lez. 

[Willie Whizz]

“Oh do behave!”

[Tony Wright]

I'll not continue the current 'discussion' any further; other than to state that every word or grammatical phrase written on here has everything to do with a dictionary. It's a wordsmith's 'tool box'.

[PMP]

45 minutes ago, Tony Wright said:

It's a wordsmith's 'tool box'.

Is that a euphemism? Asking for a friend.

[Dragonboy]

11 hours ago, Willie Whizz said:

“Oh do behave!”

I was once told to behave to which I replied I am behaving but badly

[ecgtheow]

13 hours ago, grahame said:

As a break from the current little disagreement over comments, here's something a little different. There are no steamers or motion to comment on, in fact there are no trains at all. And I've not even laid any track (yet) but here's a pic of the latest development of my N/2mm layout. The buildings are only simply temporarily plonked in place. You can just make out where the lines will run with the bridge sides roughly in place in front of the cream/fawn coloured buildings - they will run behind the shop row on the left and off scene;

 

 

 

 

Congratulations on both the quality & particularly the speed at which you produce these buildings. I knew the area well in the late 60s & early seventies as I did my clinical medical training at Guys Hospital so recognise most of the buildings. Could you remind us of the period you are modelling, please?

 

William

[grahame]

1 hour ago, ecgtheow said:

 Could you remind us of the period you are modelling, please?

 

 

It's tricky as the a period I'm trying to model and capture - late 70s/early 80s to early 90s (when NSE ended and privatisation took effect) - saw a lot of change. 

 

It's between the two major rebuilds that the real station has undergone in the last century, firstly, the infamous 1972 to 1978 rebuild under British Rail, and then the 21st century redevelopment in 2012 to 2018 under Railtrack. And even in the dozen or so years I'm modelling there were many changes (buildings torn down, new ones built, pubs closed, shops changing hands and so on).

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2023 by grahame
Correction

[melmoth]

24 minutes ago, Dragonboy said:

I was once told to behave to which I replied I am behaving but badly

 

My mother used to say 'you can behave if you try'. There has been a reasonable amount of subsequent evidence to suggest she was wrong. Sorry Mum.

[Tony Wright]

Just to report that after spending a most-splendid day at Expo EM in Wakefield (it really is well worth visiting), every EM item I took up has sold!. So far (there is more OO stuff to sell), well over a thousand pounds has been realised (even accounting for the 15% to the EMGS). 

 

My thanks to all who bought the items, and particular thanks to Martin for organising the members' sales. 

[gr.king]

Two previous EM Shows in Wakefield, and the now defunct Scalefour North events before those, have all given me thorough satisfaction, even as a dyed-in-the-wool OO modeller, so I'm looking forward to getting there tomorrow.

[James Fitzjames]

10 hours ago, Dragonboy said:

I was once told to behave to which I replied I am behaving but badly

Told my wee son to behave once, he responded by telling me he was 'being have'

[Compound2632]

2 minutes ago, James Fitzjames said:

Told my wee son to behave once, he responded by telling me he was 'being have'

 

At a young age I was told to behave, to which it is said I replied "I am have".

 

(To rhyme with shave.)

[Tony Wright]

1 hour ago, gr.king said:

Two previous EM Shows in Wakefield, and the now defunct Scalefour North events before those, have all given me thorough satisfaction, even as a dyed-in-the-wool OO modeller, so I'm looking forward to getting there tomorrow.

It really is worth going to Graeme.

 

Even as a non-member (now) of the EMGS, £11.00 is exceptional value. 

 

I don't have much to illustrate Expo EM North, I'm afraid (other than by association), but here goes.........

 

 

 

Hope Under Dinmore is always worth a look (I took these shots seven years ago!).

 

 

 

Though Blakeney has long been sold, Geoff Kent is there demonstrating how he builds such outstanding structures/vehicles/rolling stock from scratch, in Plastikard.

 

 

John Phillips is showing his BR blue diesel days Doncaster project. Though not blue, KESTREL will be part of it (here seen running on Retford).

 

Tony Gee is there with his latest (under construction) EM layout, Grimesthorpe (for Attercliffe). 

 

He was having a few electrical gremlins, so I left him be (I'm a Pariah when I look at layouts, causing even the best-running to fail!). 

 

I noticed some outstanding Midland carriages he was running............

 

 

 

Built by the late Sid Stubbs (they are seen on Geoff Kent's Black Lion Halt). 

 

He was also running a breath-takingly-beautiful 'Jersey Lilly', entirely the work of the late Malcolm Crawley. Why didn't I take a camera?

 

You really will enjoy tomorrow.

 

Regards,

 

Tony. 

[MarkC]

I'd just like to add my support for the Expo EM North show. Another great effort by all concerned, and I would encourage all who can to go & visit. Excellent layouts, good trade support and always nice to meet up with folk one knows. Seeing Tony & Mo was a bonus - and I'm delighted to hear that the sale of the goodies he took went well 👍

 

Mark

[Iain.d]

Despite having many distractions, I have made some progress on the Roxey Mouldings LSWR 3 Carriage Non-Corridor set I’m currently doing. I have assembled the sides and ends. Their assembly was quite straightforward, before soldering, I ensured the sides and ends were square and level with the use of a few bits of squared wood and some lego blocks.

 

 

Next it was time to cut the roofs to shape and work on their fixings. I always find this the least enjoyable part of making Roxey kits as there’s not much latitude to get it wrong. To cut the roofs I use both a pair of heavy duty kitchen scissors and a Stanley knife; scissors for the rough cut to shape and the Stanley for the ‘almost there’ shape. Final shaping and trimming is careful work with a scalpel and/or fine file. The nearest thing in our house with a shape close to that of an LSWR roof profile is the edge of our antique wooden dining table. So when I had the house to myself, each roof was measured (twice) and marked for the cut and was then securely taped to the edge of the table and scored almost all the way through with the Stanley knife and then snapped at the score….it worked, there were no slips and no one is any the wiser!

 

Then to secure the roofs I made up some laminated plastic card blocks with a 12BA nut held captive between the pieces - three securings for the each brake and two for the composite. The bolts weren’t long enough to reach from the chassis to roof, so I lengthened the bolts by cutting them and then soldering a 20mm piece of tube between the two pieces. I filed about 1mm of thread off each end of the cut pieces, reducing their diameter and inserted them into the tube and soldered it together. Not exact or precision turning or engineering but they seem straight enough. As where I want each roof fixing to be did not line up with any of the existing chassis cross members, I soldered stretchers near to the bogie fixing points that line up with the partitions between the carriage compartments.

 

 

I temporarily fixed the roofs in place with tape, passed an extended bolt through the hole in the stretcher and screwed on one of the captive nut fixings. I applied liquid poly to the roof and planted the fixing to roof, ensuring it was central and the bolt was vertical. The below image shows one done.

 

 

And the three carriages done.

 

 

The roofs are not quite trimmed or finished to shape at this point, the reason being as the fixing bolts are tightened, they have the potential to deform or twist the roof ever so slightly, creating gaps or bends at the cantrail. Also when the roof is loose they have a tendency to have a slight bow, experience has shown me if I cut and file the cantrail edge straight when it is not fixed to the coach, when its secured a gap appears at each end. To overcome this, with the roof fixed in position, I’ll draw a ruled line with permanent marker along the cantrail, let it dry, remove the roof and then file away any excess side below the line, this means the cantrail is straight when fixed in place and there’s less chance of a gap.

 

Kind regards,

 

Iain

[Mark Laidlay]

What's the lazy way to clean an old etched brass kit?  A chemical based process or stick with the fibreglass brush or steel wool etc.?

[Chas Levin]

2 hours ago, Mark Laidlay said:

What's the lazy way to clean an old etched brass kit?  A chemical based process or stick with the fibreglass brush or steel wool etc.?

Heinz Tomato ketchup: get a large flat bowl or dish - a glass pasta bake or casserole dish for instance. Pour in some ketchup and spread it out in a reasonably even layer, a few mm thick, over an area decently larger than the etch piece to be cleaned. Lay the etch piece in the ketchup and pour another layer on top, spreading it out again - the idea is to sandwich the etch between the ketshup layers so it's thoroughly immersed, using the minimum of ketshup. Wait a few minutes - no harm in cleaning away a bit of the ketchup to see how it's going - and then rinse off the ketchup under the tap.

 

Looking at what you have there, I'd guess somewhere between 5 and 10 minutes should give you shiny bright brass - you can always give it a second go if necessary, it won't harm the brass. The combination of very mildy acidic ketchup and the goopy viscosity that allows it to coat and stay in contact with the brass is what makes it work...

[gr.king]

11 hours ago, Tony Wright said:

Tony Gee is there with his latest (under construction) EM layout, Grimesthorpe (for Attercliffe). 

 

He was having a few electrical gremlins, so I left him be (I'm a Pariah when I look at layouts, causing even the best-running to fail!). 

But not severe enough problems to require one of those pre-printed & laminated apology notices seen on a layout at York, possibly in 2019?

[Tony Wright]

48 minutes ago, gr.king said:

But not severe enough problems to require one of those pre-printed & laminated apology notices seen on a layout at York, possibly in 2019?

Good morning Graeme,

 

Nowhere near enough (at least what you cite was a case of 'future-proofing'!).

 

No, poor Tony was the struggling with some dodgy switches, it would appear (bought cheaply off the internet), resulting in his being unable to isolate locos having arrived with a train (I tried to help - foolishly - by suggesting a rail break wasn't wide enough, only resulting in getting a finger nail stuck in it!). At least he was still able to run trains. 

 

The first showing of a layout at a show (any layout, built by anyone) is always fraught with potential problems (how do I know this?), and Tony Gee will sort any out. His new layout has great potential, anyway; especially with his work, Malcolm Crawley's work, Sid Stubb's work and George Norton's work running on it. 

 

Enjoy Expo today.

 

Regards,

 

Tony.