Job's Modelling Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I like those ghost signs. And I found one that can be used. Because this is a general one I like to share it with you. I would appreciate it when others would do the same. In this way we can help each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 Hi, Job, They are not too difficult to make yourself........ If the surface they are on is a convenient separate' area, or just one wall. scan the relevant texture sheet into a image manipulating programme, add printed lettering with a measure of transparency and then print out the sheet so that the writing is in the right place, like the example below of the former Ringwell Alarm Clock factory... Hope this helps, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted February 8, 2013 Author Share Posted February 8, 2013 Thanks Doug, Will give it a try. Can make some company (factory) names this way. For advertising, pictures can be very useful. Already use Publisher to create name boards. The building is a design for my diorama. Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted February 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 8, 2013 I've been photographing these for some time, and have just put them into a flickr set http://www.flickr.com/photos/unravelled/sets/72157632722479624/ Thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ash39 Posted February 8, 2013 Share Posted February 8, 2013 I recognise the one in the first post! I live around 2 miles from it, nice to see it in model form in the Netherlands! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted February 9, 2013 Share Posted February 9, 2013 That's great, Dave. You realise of course, in your own modest way you are a a historian? The 'Rubber Mat' manufacturer's sign must have needed a very skilled man to paint it. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted February 9, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2013 Not sure about the historian bit. I just photograph things, and leave it up to others to argue about interpretation... Btw there is location information for some of the images in the tags, but not as much as there should be. Thanks Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted February 9, 2013 Author Share Posted February 9, 2013 That's great, Dave. You realise of course, in your own modest way you are a a historian? The 'Rubber Mat' manufacturer's sign must have needed a very skilled man to paint it. Doug I agree with Doug. Loved your Flickr set. Will also have a look at your London pictures. Saw there was a lot of detail information to find for me. I mostly use black and white pictures as a reference. Those color pictures can help me to give my urban layouts the right impression. Saw also so very nice signs. Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaternosterRow Posted February 10, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2013 Hi Job, Thanks very much for sharing this technique. I've tried several times unsuccessfully to achieve this effect - what manipulating programme do you use? By the way, I think the bridge is brilliant! Also - Unravelled - the flickr set - brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 I do it this way: - I download a picture from internet - I cut the advert out of the picture - I copy it to Word. Re-size the picture. A stone in OO gauge is 1 mm high as a reference - Then I print it out to see of the result can satisfy me. A photo program can do the same I think. But I'm not handy enough with my photo program. The get a picture of the re-sized advert is possible by using Publisher. In the picture just an other one I like. Regards, Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 Hullo, Job, Here is an idea of what you can do by......... 1. Choosing a picture [alter it if you want to to Job's Custard etc!] 2. Scan a brickpaper and open in a simple image processing system 3. Apply a pale rectangular background and paste your picture on top 4. Increase transparency of your picture and selectively erase .......then use the sheet as part of a building/wall etc. Hope this is of interest, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted February 11, 2013 Share Posted February 11, 2013 There's another ghost 'sign' that still crops up in out of the way town areas, the 'EWS' sign, which, with an arrow indicated the nearest Emergency Water Supply for fire-fighting in the event of a failure of mains supplies during the last war. http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~rwbarnes/cd/ews.htm Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted February 11, 2013 Author Share Posted February 11, 2013 Thanks Doug, I do like those personalized signs for a layout. Will give it a try in the future. For the moment I will be focused on my diorama "Urban Scene". I hope your looking to my thread by boxfiles, micro layouts and diorama's. Always appreciate your comments and suggestions. Regards, Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 Hi Job, Watching all with interest...I think a EWS ghost sign pointing around a corner will look good in your urban environment, too. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Hello Doug, Thanks for the reply and the link of the EWS signs. Hope you like the way I try to create a diorama. I like the idea of using an EWS sign in the diorama. It looks like they were painted, so I think I will make it with a pastel pencil and tone it down with a cotton bud. Could make one on the side wall of the glass merchant. Where they all painted yellow (most of the pictures) or can you also use an other color, for instance dark grey or black. Can you give me some more information on this sign, I found on the net. Is it also possible to use a sign like this? Regards, Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted February 12, 2013 Share Posted February 12, 2013 That is an interesting one, isn't it? EWSs or 'static water tanks' were made in a number of ways, I read somewhere that even large cellars were deliberately flooded to make reservoirs, or wooden, canvas lined dams created in industrial yards. Perhaps this sign was one such? I have seen yellow and white signs, but whether the white was a faded yellow, I can't recall. I can't remember a black sign, probably because it would have been difficult to see in the dark? Also, a large rectangle painted underneath/beside the EWS showed that it was a surface tank, and a circle showed it was a well and needed a longer suction hose. When I went to a Naval engineering school in the early 60s, there were both above ground and underground water tanks for fire-fighting purposes, the camp was built on a steep hillside. Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted February 12, 2013 Author Share Posted February 12, 2013 Thanks for the answer. I have found a picture that I can use to create a sign on block wall. Think an EWS could be placed in my "industrial" setting with a railway running through. I believe those arches could also been have used to create shelters. What about this one. Can I put the arrow to wards the viaduct. Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted February 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2013 Bombed out basements were used for emergency water supplies. IIRC there is a photo of such in front of St. Pauls cathedral. Some were a metal frame supporting a canvas 'bag' some of which could be carried on a flatbed lorry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C&WR Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Coming out of London Bridge heading towards Greenwich if one looks down on the river side there are still shelter signs on some of the older houses. Will try & get a snap on one of my trips down that way. As an aside, Chubber, when they drained the EWS at my barracks in Germany it was found to be full of bicycles pinched down town by inebriated soldiers on nights out & more worryingly an awful lot of ammunition which had been found after end of exercise declarations of free from explosives. Not sure if the propellant was soluble in water, but when we did have a fire once (someone broke into the Regimental dining room on Christmas Eve to make an egg banjo & left the gas on) I was plenty relieved that the jets from the hoses didn't ignite! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 Hi Job, Watching all with interest...I think a EWS ghost sign pointing around a corner will look good in your urban environment, too. Doug I made my EWS sign. Used a picture from Flickr as a reference. Made a counting mistake in the high above ground level on my model wall. Sign should be 3 stones higher. The sign is made with pastel and normal color pencils. Hope you like it. Regards, Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Well, it certainly looks the part, Job. If I may be extremely 'picky' [i don't know how that translates in Dutch...kieskeurig?] I'd say that the signs were painted in this order.... 1. black paint applied over the whole area to give a contrasting background 2. lettering painted on top in white paint to show up in the darkness This would mean that as the white paint wore away there would be black paint underneath, and as the black wore away there would be red brick underneath. It doesn't look as that would have happened in your example. Perhaps if you were to shade in the EWS with a white crayon it might look that way? Please don't be offended, with the high standard of your work, and the atmosphere it evokes I'd feel untruthful if I didn't mention it, Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 Doug you are not to "picky'". The reason I post my efforts is to get better. Positive meant critics helps me to improve my modelling . Of coarse I like all those positive comments. They are stimulating me to go on. I did paint the sign as it was in the picture below.. But creating a three dimensional picture doesn't mean that what you see on the picture is right on the model. So I followed your description how the signs ware made. Used a white pastel pencil to create the letters. I like the result on my diorama / shadowbox. Hope you like it to. And please stay "picky" on my modelling. Regards, Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold westerhamstation Posted March 3, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2013 Hi Job . I have Posted this site before, you might have missed it. http://www.hatads.org.uk/ as an old signwriter its good to see the old ghost signs this is a fantastic site for all the old signs. I have used photoshop to recreate a ghost sign on my own layout. Yours is looking good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chubber Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Doug you are not to "picky'". The reason I post my efforts is to get better. Positive meant critics helps me to improve my modelling . Of coarse I like all those positive comments. They are stimulating me to go on. I did paint the sign as it was in the picture below.. E.W.S. Ghost sign.jpg But creating a three dimensional picture doesn't mean that what you see on the picture is right on the model. So I followed your description how the signs ware made. Used a white pastel pencil to create the letters. E.W.S. ghost sign.jpg I like the result on my diorama / shadowbox. Hope you like it to. And please stay "picky" on my modelling. Regards, Job it's difficult to say you haven't copied the source extremely well, but he amendment looks even better! Doug Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Job's Modelling Posted March 3, 2013 Author Share Posted March 3, 2013 it's difficult to say you haven't copied the source extremely well, but he amendment looks even better! Doug I agree with that! Thanks for your advice. Hi Job . I have Posted this site before, you might have missed it. http://www.hatads.org.uk/ as an old signwriter its good to see the old ghost signs this is a fantastic site for all the old signs. I have used photoshop to recreate a ghost sign on my own layout. Yours is looking good Thanks for the link. Very useful for more advertising information. Regards, Job Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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