RMweb Premium Neil Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2013 Last year I became the lucky owner of a pair of Lone Star Derby Sulzer type twos (class 24 to the younger generation) destined for my toyshop in a display cabinet. Now while I have no plans to run the locos I need to source suitably sized rubber bands for the drive from motor to axles to stop the wheels falling out each time I pick the engines up. Any suggestions? Many thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2013 Contact Malcolm Hughes of the Mickleover Club - if he doesn't know where to get them no-one will! PM sent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2013 I don't know if this works in OOO but for HO traction tyres can be used in rubber-band drives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I've used Rivarossi N gauge traction tyres for mine*. I assume other makes would do as well. If you don't intend to run them, a short piece of wire will keep the wheels in place. * My stock of these could well have perished by now. I bought them in Italy a long time ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 I have some Lone Star 000 too and I used Lima traction tyres XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted April 8, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2013 Thank you all for the suggestions, I think I have some old 00 traction tyres upstairs, I'll take a peek in my junk box later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 8, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 8, 2013 Hi Neil, If you have no joy with actual traction tyres as drive bands... Visit your local fihing tackle shop! You are looking for the bands that are used to secure fishing flaots to the fishing line. These come in a wide variety of sizes and you need to go through them to get a matching size. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Neil Posted April 8, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted April 8, 2013 Thanks Phil, I should have thought of that as my lad's into fishing. Mind he's in New Zealand at the moment so it's a bit far to go and pick some up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortliner Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Might be worth a quick vist to your local dental practice - I believe they are/were used for orthodontal work in various sizes - those mouthful of metal thingies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
edcayton Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 A box of cheap "O" rings from Lidl/Aldi might do the trick Ed Useful things to have around anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted April 8, 2013 Share Posted April 8, 2013 Another option is the old rubber bands that they used in Path Labs to put around the top of test tubes. I used to work in Path Labs many years ago and managed to pick some of these up. XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted April 9, 2013 Share Posted April 9, 2013 The bands need to be smooth, fairly soft and flexible, rather like the drive bands used in 'Walkman' cassette players and nowadays in DVD drives, but these are probably too big even in the smallest size. A search on eBay found these (no idea if they work). http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LONE-STAR-TREBLE-O-LECTRIC-/130885687888?pt=UK_Trains_Railway_Models&hash=item1e79651a50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2013 At the factory, Lone Star made the bands from 1/2" dia. neoprene tubing. A length was mounted on a wooden mandrel in a lathe and 1/8" wide slices were cut off using a razor blade. If you do run the locos and find they have a lack of power and get very warm, it's likely the magnets have become demagnetised. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 My Lone Star F unit had no engine at all! I remember buying it in Chelmsford in the late fifties.......actually my Mum bought it as a sop for going shopping with her.... Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 The chances are my aunt sold it to her! She used to work in the toy department in Debenhams. they stocked Lone Star OOO then! For drive bands, how about the bands the sheep farmers round here use to chop lambs' soft squidgy bits off?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 My Lone Star F unit had no engine at all! I remember buying it in Chelmsford in the late fifties.......actually my Mum bought it as a sop for going shopping with her.... Best, Pete. Presumably the push-along one from the earlier series? I have one of these in my display cabinet on my desk/test track/dumping ground for part finished models - silver with red stripes. I remember this and the Mk I coaches were the only things that would stay on the die-cast track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 2mmMark Posted April 19, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 19, 2013 The push-along "F unit" was actually a 1/2 size replica of a Tri-ang Transcontinental diesel, which itself was a fairly loose approximation of a US cab unit. All the push-along models had a "relationship" to the contemporary Hornby-Dublo & Tri-ang ranges... Even the push-along gauge was 8.25mm. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YQITkSzpZlw/TKLHK1PySOI/AAAAAAAAABg/xU9Alfl6piU/s1600/Lone+Star+Locos+Diesel.jpg http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6204/6136582137_314d6d541f_z.jpg The later Treble-O-Lectric F unit is fairly faithful F7. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 The push-along "F unit" was actually a 1/2 size replica of a Tri-ang Transcontinental diesel, which itself was a fairly loose approximation of a US cab unit. All the push-along models had a "relationship" to the contemporary Hornby-Dublo & Tri-ang ranges... Even the push-along gauge was 8.25mm. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YQITkSzpZlw/TKLHK1PySOI/AAAAAAAAABg/xU9Alfl6piU/s1600/Lone+Star+Locos+Diesel.jpg http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6204/6136582137_314d6d541f_z.jpg The later Treble-O-Lectric F unit is fairly faithful F7. Mark Interestingly there were 2 versions of the F Unit one with a more round nose and headlight. The rare model is, a motorised version of the model shown above in light blue! I will dig my models out and post some photos - The most unusual is a a dummy Derby Class 24 in a BR mounted on a F unit chassis and it was manufactured like this! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Aye, but the push-along was very fine to an 8 year old who had never seen the real thing...... Great stuff, thanks Best, Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 The Tri-ang range seems to have been copied quite faithfully - the 'Rovex' shortie coaches, first type 9" Mk Is, 3F & 3MT tanks and 'Princess' and various wagons - open, van (G)WR brake van and LMS cattle wagon plus The F7A and the TC coach and vista-dome*. There are probably others too, but those come to mind *The TC coaches even had the same silver livery with the red window stripe. The metallic colours used on the locomotives were rather weird though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 There were a few half-size Hornby Dublo items too such as the A4 and the girder bridge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5050 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 Even the track is cast representation of the original Triang Standard Grey track. I now remember that even when I was a young lad and saw the original unpowered models in the local toy shop I was struck by how they seemed to copy Triang and Hornby models. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 The introduction of the Treble-O-lectric saw new loco models that weren't copies of existing proprietory models, the Derby and English Electric Types 2s. Even the American diesel was replaced by a proper F7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 The introduction of the Treble-O-lectric saw new loco models that weren't copies of existing proprietory models, the Derby and English Electric Types 2s. Even the American diesel was replaced by a proper F7. But the Mk1 coaches and American coaches were the same. Don't forget the "Impy" range of push along Lone Star winch was N gauge rather than OOO and used plastic track with totally new geometry. This was sold mainly in Woolworths in bubble packs! For 2/6 a pack if my memory serves me correctly? XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted April 23, 2013 Share Posted April 23, 2013 These had the 000 version of the tension lock IIRC (they even copied the awful couplings!) I must check what I have, but I did get a BR goods set (unfortunately the outer box got destroyed by damp but the inners are OK) and a job lot of the American - UP coaches and locos and mainly B & M box cars. The track is well overscale (Wrenn style but plastic) and fine for running Liliput Austrian NG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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