Pete 75C Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 How about St Reatham? XF Not sure that would convey the grimy look that I'm after. Isn't St. Reatham the "posh" end of Streatham? A bit like Clapham with a silent "ph"... Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Dad lived in Madron Street at the back of the Old Kent Road when he was a kid. Very grimy and had a pub at each end of the road, which was barely a couple of hundred yards long. That must have presented quite a dilemma if you lived in the middle of the street and liked a drink! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 Not sure that would convey the grimy look that I'm after. Isn't St. Reatham the "posh" end of Streatham? A bit like Clapham with a silent "ph"... Pete. You could always try St Ockwell... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Thanks to all for your suggestions. It's going to be Lots Road with "Change for St Stephens Hospital" on the running in board. I like this part of London. I always thought the most interesting diagrams we had at Norwood depot were those that took us over the West London Line from Clapham Junction onto the "foreign" regions. The theoretical premise for the layout is a spur off of the West London Line between West Brompton and the river bridge. Lots Road power station (I believe) changed from coal-fired to oil-fired in the 60s, which will allow for the occasional reversal of oil tanks as well as parcels traffic. I also imagine a rush hour passenger service from Clapham Junction to Kensington Olympia reversing at Lots Road serving the nearby hospital which later became the Chelsea and Westminster hospital when St Stephens was demolished. I'm also tempted to throw in a LT District Line bay platform. I've adjusted the track plan to include 3 platforms, a LT bay (no physical connection to the main lines) and a run-round loop allowing for freight and parcels reversal. The LT line will drop sharply on leaving the bay platform before disappearing under the main lines. I have some time next week and will make a start on the baseboards (3 x 1200mm). This will be a slow burner as I'm not in a rush - I need this one to keep me going for a few years! Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Jason T Posted May 11, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2013 Just having a think about the area around Croydon, with places that don't have stations (or railways) and it's not as easy as I thought. I have had to look on Google Maps to try and find suggestions, and have come up with: Shirley (nearest railway is Elmers End - Hayes) Croham Hurst (there was the railway from Sanderstead to Elmers End, part of which is now Tramlink; also, the London - Brighton) Downham (near Beckenham) And then, looking at the names of geographical features: Pollards Hill (near Thornton Heath) Monks Orchard (near Eden Park) Figge's Marsh (near Tooting) Bonesgate (taken from Bonesgate Open Space, near Chessington). I like this one, it has an eerie overtone to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Just having a think about the area around Croydon My parents moved to Wallington when I was young and I've always had a fascination with the area. Beddington Park, the River Wandle, the old Croydon power station, the West Croydon - Wimbledon branch. I don't think I've ever seen anyone model railways in or around Croydon. One for the future, maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 11, 2013 Share Posted May 11, 2013 My parents moved to Wallington when I was young and I've always had a fascination with the area. Beddington Park, the River Wandle, the old Croydon power station, the West Croydon - Wimbledon branch. I don't think I've ever seen anyone model railways in or around Croydon. One for the future, maybe. I think Croydon is very much a 'marmite' place that you either love or hate. Although I have to say, Peter Clark's 7mm Croydon Tramlink kit does have a certain appeal... http://www.peterclarkkits.com/light-rail.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 11, 2013 I think Croydon is very much a 'marmite' place that you either love or hate. In the '60s, it was the London Borough which most expressed the new hope emerging from post-war grot and grime. It had high-rise office buildings and later the Whitgift centre. It was buzzy. The tram network tells me that urge to improve hasn't entirely evaporated. I worked there on and off 1967-73, lived there 1973-4, meeting my wife in the process. Wrote the investment submission and gained authority for the £10m reconstruction of East Croydon station in NSE days. I also agree about the contrast with the West Croydon- Wimbledon line and the power station etc. Early turn conversations with Alf Garland, the foreman/shunter at Waddon Marsh about coal empties from Croydon Elec B, now better known as Ikea, added to the fun. The West Croydon supervisors - Bob Jones, Les Cubitt and Harry Robinson, were ace blokes, able to twist traincrew arms when the service was up the spout. And, yes, I can enjoy marmite, too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted May 11, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 11, 2013 Just found this as it came up on VNC thanks to Ian's post. One instant thought from me is "Chelsea Marsh" which of course in the past few years has become Chelsea Harbour and is right next door to Lots Road. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 11, 2013 Author Share Posted May 11, 2013 Just found this as it came up on VNC thanks to Ian's post. One instant thought from me is "Chelsea Marsh" which of course in the past few years has become Chelsea Harbour and is right next door to Lots Road. The area from above. Atmosphere oozing from almost every pixel. http://www.britainfromabove.org.uk/image/epw006134 http://d4k7s9ho8qact.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/The-Lots-Road-Power-Station-Chelsea-1921.jpg?9d7bd4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Having recently dabbled in N gauge and got it out of my system (I suffer from pork sausage finger syndrome), I now have the time and space to get my Broad Street homage off the drawing board and onto the plywood. The track plan for this project has appeared elsewhere on RMWeb so I won't repeat it here. Basically, we're looking at a London-based minories-type terminus firmly set in the mid 70s, similar to Ripper Street, and with a nod to Pallet Lane - two of my all time favourites. The dilemma I have is that being a South Londoner, I have to have 3rd rail and a 2EPB and a 4SUB - that kind of rules out the North London Line unless I include a huge dollop of modeller's license... Like Ian Futers (a better and more prolific modeller than I ever will be), I like to make the station name boards very early on in the build. I need a name. I don't want a prototype location and I don't want to copy anything already modelled (Ripper Street springs to mind - love the name, but someone's already been there and done that). In desperation, I'm getting close to picking something at random from Google Maps! I'm partial to the West London line through Kenny and grew up near Wandsworth. Wandsworth Road would be good, but it exists as a station in real life. If anyone has any ideas for a name that would suit a grimy suburban London terminus, I can use all the help I can get! Pete. Pete. Have been in the same position myself, so here are a few of my ideas: Marshalsea Street Newington Street / Butts Walworth Arms/Road Loughborough Road Angerstein Street Bevois Street ( bev voy) Depford Arms. Wharfend Street/Arms Battersea Arms. I'm about to use Horsleydown Yard. Best of luck. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted May 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2013 Horsleydown! My father worked there in the '50s, Barclay Perkins having some sort of plant there, possibly a brewery. A brilliant area before it got gentrified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David C Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 I have always thought that Crutched Friars would make a splendid name for a Minories type layout. It does actually exist and is a small street in the City somewhere near Fenchurch Street! There was an S gauge layout built in Canada which modeled part of the Croydon - Wimbledon line in LBSCR days which I saw featured on the internet some time ago. David C Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maunsel Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 The obvious one would be Nine Elms. Yes it was a station once. Or how about Wandsworth Park, Wandsworth Rise, Wandsworth Common. East/West/South/North Wandsworth. Actually anything with Wandsworth in the Title. Or Pedlars Park Harmsworth Park or my favorite Sarf Lundin name:- Lollard Street Eric Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
asmay2002 Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 There was an S gauge layout built in Canada which modeled part of the Croydon - Wimbledon line in LBSCR days which I saw featured on the internet some time ago. David C That would be Mike Watt's Wandle Valley Railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 12, 2013 Share Posted May 12, 2013 Horsleydown! My father worked there in the '50s, Barclay Perkins having some sort of plant there, possibly a brewery. A brilliant area before it got gentrified. I work there, at least on the site of what was St Johns Horsleydown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold unravelled Posted May 12, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2013 snip or my favorite Sarf Lundin name:- Lollard Street Eric Noooo.. I used to work in Lollard Street, and the bad dreams took years to fade.. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Wow - you've certainly come up with some gems that would suit a South London urban terminus. Having decided to go with "Lots Road", now I'm having second thoughts! No - I'll stick with it. You are influenced heavily by where you grew up. I've moved around a lot but I'm now at the age that I can look back to some of the grimier parts of London with affection, maybe if I wouldn't go so far as to want to live there again! I don't find today's railway operations particularly interesting (absolutely no disrespect to the thousands that do), so for me it was always going to be something from the 70s or early 80s. I find myself having an interest in modern classic vehicles (must be an age thing) and to model a Mk2 Escort in the station car park with a Leyland FG delivering parcels nearby will always be more appealing to me than a Mercedes C Class and a Mk6 Transit... Baseboard timbers are ready to be cut, so time to have a quick look at the trackplan again. Many thanks to all of you. Inspiration comes in many forms! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 Make sure you come back and share the layout link once you start it so we can keep following Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 I will - I'm going to "thread" this one from the baseboard construction onwards. I'm planning a major move in 3 years so this will be my last layout in my current location. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2013 For a 4-SUB, it clearly has to be on ex-LSW or ex-LBSCR territory. The former line from Richmond to Shepherd's Bush and Kensington Addison Rd which closed IIRC to passengers in 1916 (but open much later to goods) could offer a possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 14, 2013 Author Share Posted May 14, 2013 Lots Road is very much a "what if" and this kind of layout always has the added advantage (to me) of being able to run something you like just because you like it. I've always shied away from modelling true to prototype because I just know Bachmann will release something I really like but I simply won't be able to justify it. With the fictional Lots Road at the end of a triangular junction off the West London line between Clapham Junction and West Brompton, I envisage EPBs and SUBs on a shuttle from Clapham Junction and maybe even a 501. I quite like the Class 25 and as they were rare but not completely unknown on parcels trains around Clapham Junction - that's all the excuse I need... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cromptonnut Posted May 14, 2013 Share Posted May 14, 2013 I've just got a name for my new layout from my wife. Nower Vale. Because whether the train turns up or not, you've still bought a ticket to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted May 15, 2013 Author Share Posted May 15, 2013 All systems go for this idea of mine that's been kicking around in my head for so long! http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/71762-lots-road-sw7-1975-urban-terminus/ Baseboard construction about to start so I figured I'd start a thread and post regular progress reports. An awful lot of you have influenced this layout, I just doubt you'll ever know it! Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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