RMweb Premium 65179 Posted June 8, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) I am not sure if the curved ones are also Liverpool hoppers http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpomineral/e1c778bf9 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpomineral/e11289b5d http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brpomineral/e1f7a1c91 As mentioned earlier there are several in the Chesterfield Avenue Works collection. http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chesterfieldavenue The curved ended ones (but not the Embsay railway one) look very much like the Manchester Corporation's Met-Camm built 20T ones. Keith Turton's P.O. Wagons: A Fifth Collection states that 100 of these were built in 1938. These are stated as working to Barton Power Station, Trafford Park with the ex-works wagon shown in the book being lettered as such. Keith Turton postulates that they wouldn't have been pooled, but a situation as suggested above for the Liverpool hoppers seems equally plausible. I'd love to know which collieries these wagons (the Manchester ones) worked to as I've yet to find anything on how they were worked to Barton power station. Edit: Just spotted that Transport Diversions Emporium helpfully have the relevant page as their sample page from the above book: http://www.transportdiversions.com/publicationshow.asp?pubid=5904 Simon Edited June 8, 2013 by 65179 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 These two photo's were taken at Embsay in 1990 but I have no details for them. The Grey one has a three didgit number on the centre of the slebar as per the one at Cambois but I do not know what either one is! If any one has better photographs or know the numbers on the wagons could you please help? Mark Saunders Liverpool hopper grey embsay.JPG Liverpool hopper red embsay.JPG It is a shame neither of us photographed both sides of the red one, assuming they are the same then they modification of the side stanchions for tippling - shown clearly on mine - is only on one side. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 9, 2013 Share Posted June 9, 2013 The curved ended ones (but not the Embsay railway one) look very much like the Manchester Corporation's Met-Camm built 20T ones. Keith Turton's P.O. Wagons: A Fifth Collection states that 100 of these were built in 1938. These are stated as working to Barton Power Station, Trafford Park with the ex-works wagon shown in the book being lettered as such. Keith Turton postulates that they wouldn't have been pooled, but a situation as suggested above for the Liverpool hoppers seems equally plausible. I'd love to know which collieries these wagons (the Manchester ones) worked to as I've yet to find anything on how they were worked to Barton power station. Edit: Just spotted that Transport Diversions Emporium helpfully have the relevant page as their sample page from the above book: http://www.transportdiversions.com/publicationshow.asp?pubid=5904 Simon Dear Simon Thanks for the heads up on that, yes appear to be the same - as is one of the unidentified ones at Avenue http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/chesterfieldavenue/e163f5cf7 Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 Clarence dock power station was constructed on the filled in Clarence dock, seen under construction in 1931 with hoppers in evidence.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted June 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2013 A lovely shot of the infilled track there, I bet there can't be many double slips that were infilled like that! Another source of info might be 'Liverpool Transport' possibly vol 3 or 4 by Maude. I haven't read it for some time, but it does show at least one inmage of theses wagons, and has details of the whole electrity set up. Andy G 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 12, 2013 Author Share Posted June 12, 2013 thats where I found the shot posted in post #1, not sure what volume though off hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted June 12, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 12, 2013 Ah, not much help then! Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Try this one at BSC Scunthorpe in Paul Bartlett's collection, it seems that it survived as it was part of the wagons set aside for shunter training! http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/scunthorpebsccorus/h6dc0502a#h6dc0502a Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Clarence dock power station was constructed on the filled in Clarence dock, seen under construction in 1931 with hoppers in evidence.. clarencedock1931.jpg Love the twin weigh bridges in that shot, half the train moves to weigh the wagons in or out. The in-filled track is also interesting. The new stuff looks to be concrete, while the old stuff looks to be setts. Love the cut off track just by the double slip. This looks like it would have followed the shape at the end of the filled in dock. OzzyO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 Love the twin weigh bridges in that shot, half the train moves to weigh the wagons in or out. looks like it is so 2 wagons can be weighed at the same time. can also see one of the concrete Chimneys under construction, one of 3 known locally as the 3 sisters or the cricket stumps. skip to about 21minutes here and you'll see them going... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozzyo Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 looks like it is so 2 wagons can be weighed at the same time. can also see one of the concrete Chimneys under construction, one of 3 known locally as the 3 sisters or the cricket stumps. skip to about 21minutes here and you'll see them going... Love the film. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 This is Liverpool 82, registered by the LMS as 120753 in 1929 now residing at Cottesmore. Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted September 16, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2013 Michael, I can't add any more detail regarding the look of the wagons, but I've come across a couple more shots of these wagons in use: The Cheshire Lines Committee Then & Now by Nigel Dyckhoff page 73 shows 01 3578 between Baguley and Northenden with these wagons behind the tender (photo JF Russell-Smith 9 March 1948) The new Woodhead book, Scenes from the Past 29 (pt 4) Steam over Woodhead, by E.M. Johnson page 111 shows B7 1385 with what is described as a Spink Hill (nr.Chesterfield)-Huskisson train at Godley Jct (RD Pollard 15 May 1948). Simon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 65179 Posted November 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2013 (edited) Hopper in Trafford Park Sidings: https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/userfiles/image/Reviews/2939%2062663%20nr%20Trafford%20Park%20MPD%20(KH%20Cockerill)%20571.jpg Photo is from Tony Wright's D11/1 review on model railways live: https://www.model-railways-live.co.uk/Reviews/175-27/Bachmann/Tony_Wright_on_the_Bachmann_D111/ Simon Edited November 13, 2013 by 65179 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is a link to a photo of taken in August 1929 of the cooling towers at Lister Drive showing two in the foreground http://www.ntprints.com/image/375994/the-power-station-lister-drive Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 When did Clarence Dock Power Station cease receiving coal by rail and when did it close? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 15, 2015 Share Posted February 15, 2015 I was sent this picture taken at Askern showing an MoT and Liverpool Corporation hopper in internal use, does anyone know the photographer? Mark Saunders 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Another part of a picture showing nearly a block train on the MSW taken in the 1950's! Mark Saunders 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 Hoping to start modelling these soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Michael I look forward to seeing the results and your choice of materials/parts for the project! Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Delamar Posted November 27, 2015 Author Share Posted November 27, 2015 We're still debating the best way to go about it Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteffanLlwyd Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) I have 23 Hornby 21T MOT Iron Ore hoppers which I found cheap on Fruugo. I am regauging to EM (easy!) and re-liverying to BR 1960s period (difficult!). Does anyone know where I can find appropriate running numbers and transfers? I can't be sure that hopper transfers from FOX would be correct to prototype.... Edited March 24, 2016 by SteffanLlwyd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 I have 23 Hornby 21T MOT Iron Ore hoppers which I found cheap on Fruugo. I am regauging to EM (easy!) and re-liverying to BR 1960s period (difficult!). Does anyone know where I can find appropriate running numbers and transfers? I can't be sure that hopper transfers from FOX would be correct to prototype.... http://www.cctrans.org.uk/products.htm Sheet BL67 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted March 24, 2016 Share Posted March 24, 2016 (edited) I have 23 Hornby 21T MOT Iron Ore hoppers which I found cheap on Fruugo. I am regauging to EM (easy!) and re-liverying to BR 1960s period (difficult!). Does anyone know where I can find appropriate running numbers and transfers? I can't be sure that hopper transfers from FOX would be correct to prototype.... Presumably you mean the early interpretation of these by Hornby? http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lnerhopper21ton/e38c29145 and many more. The model is just an ordinary 21ton hopper isn't it? Number lists in Dave Larkins books. Depending on whether welded http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/br21thopperweld or rivetted http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/br21thopperrivet or the LNER equivalents. Without a photo or Hornby catalogue number it is more difficult to assist you. Certainly recommend Johns transfers as above. Paul Edited to apologise to Michael as this is so totally off topic. Edited March 24, 2016 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I found someone has built the similar Manchester ones in 3 1/4 gauge follow this link! http://www.steamworkshop.co.uk/portfolio/black-wagons/ Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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