Derwent - LMS in the Peak (never finished due to house move)

[Rowsley17D]

Hi Al, thanks for your encouraging comments. I did want a feel of Rowsley about the shed and the Scalescenes kit has a good Midland air about it and is very adaptable. I'm glad I took up the suggestion to have a two-road shed instead of the four-road originally planned. This is what is so good about sharing ideas on here.

[Rowsley17D]

The shed head-shunt/ coal stabling line was laid today. A freshly coaled 3F shunts empty loco coal wagons onto the newly laid line while an empty goods passes on the branch heading for the mainline.

 

 

 

One of those nice Lanarkshire Midland buffer-stops is needed.

Edited April 28, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

I bought up Parkside Models' total supply of Lanarkshire Midland buffer-stops (3) at the York Show this year. So one was duly assembled with superglue and attached to ply sleepers with C&L chairs.

 

 

One advantage of taking photos for this site is that you can see where you have missed with the paintbrush!

[Rowsley17D]

For the coaling facilities at the shed I bought a Ratio kit. On the dry run I found I had not enough room between the tracks to build the kit as was. The conveyer-lift was moved to one side. This meant a chute arrangement had to built on top to direct coal into the hopper. The discharge tube was extended as there seemed to be a huge gap between it and a tender's top. A new motor platform had to be built. I also made a ramp so that wagons could discharge coal via a side door and this would feed the conveyer-lift. The photos were taken pre-painting so you can see the modifications.

 

The new chute arrangement at the top of the hopper in black plastic

 

 

The extension to the hopper bottom in light brown, this halves the previous distance between it and the tender top.

 

 

The new motor platform.

 

 

The new platform again with an end-on view of the new loading tube.

 

 

Overall view with coal loading ramp in white next to the side door wagon.

Edited May 6, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

The coal tower was given a coat of Halford's red plastic primer which looks like red oxide. It was then given a wash of very thinned acrylic black with a drop of washing-up liquid in it then wiped off.

 

Jubilee "Australia" gets its tender refilled as a wagon load of engine coal is emptied. You can see I missed a bit with the spray!

 

 

Express for Buxton passes in the background.

 

[Rowsley17D]

Thoughts are now turning towards the goods yard and the end of turnout building and track laying. I laid out some flexi C+L to see what I could fit into the space available in front of the station.

 

The yard is served mainly by down trains which reverse into the long siding to the right in the photo above where the train can be split. It then pulls forward to the long siding that runs by the down branch-line to access the various shorter sidings. Up goods would have to run round their trains in platform three and push their wagons into the yard.

 

The view from the other end.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

While I had the paints out for the footbridge, I returned the Hornby Butterley waiting room building to Midland colours and then washed it over with very dilute acrylic black.

 

 

The edge of the platform has had to be attacked to allow the 8F passed. Just realised that the underside of the roof needs treatment.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

I mentioned painting the footbridge and forgot to post any pictures.

 

 

 

Express for Manchester Central in platform 2.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

A start was made on the backboards today as if I do not do it now, I will only knock the scenic bits that I have done already when I eventually do fit the boards.

 

The station area.

 

3Fs on duty with stopping local and a goods. The coaches on the train are the new suburbans from Hornby. I have exchanged the bogies with my  LMS corridor coaches as the ones on the suburbans should be riveted.

 

A rather dark view of the branch backboard.

[AireValley1962]

Backboard 02.jpg

3Fs on duty with stopping local and a goods. The coaches on the train are the new suburbans from Hornby. I have exchanged the bogies with my  LMS corridor coaches as the ones on the suburbans should be riveted.

 

The photo above makes the project start to come together for me - looking forward to more updates

[LNER4479]

Thoughts are now turning towards the goods yard and the end of turnout building and track laying. I laid out some flexi C+L to see what I could fit into the space available in front of the station.

 

Goodsyard 1.jpg

The yard is served mainly by down trains which reverse into the long siding to the right in the photo above where the train can be split. It then pulls forward to the long siding that runs by the down branch-line to access the various shorter sidings. Up goods would have to run round their trains in platform three and push their wagons into the yard.

 

Goodsyard 2.jpg

The view from the other end.

Hi,

 

Do you have a purpose in mind for each road in the goods yard? Presumably coal (domestic) and livestock would be pretty obvious commodities? How the individual sidings were spaced and the need for road (horse n cart!) access is an important consideration and can be affected by what traffic is being handled.

 

Also, there seems a lot of backward and forwarding to get access to the yard sidings. Great fun if you like shunting on a model railway - but is it how the big railway would have done it? Or are you already constrained / influenced by the rest of the trackplan?

 

Great progress overall; enjoying the updates.

[Rowsley17D]

Hi,

 

Do you have a purpose in mind for each road in the goods yard? Presumably coal (domestic) and livestock would be pretty obvious commodities? How the individual sidings were spaced and the need for road (horse n cart!) access is an important consideration and can be affected by what traffic is being handled.

 

Also, there seems a lot of backward and forwarding to get access to the yard sidings. Great fun if you like shunting on a model railway - but is it how the big railway would have done it? Or are you already constrained / influenced by the rest of the trackplan?

 

Great progress overall; enjoying the updates.

 

Hi, I must admit that I have toyed with the idea of having access to the yard further down the branch, then the sidings could just be backed into, and/or, connecting the long siding that follows the mainline so that it makes a goods loop which by which trains can enter the yard without having to reverse. May just have to have a play with Templot again to what will fit.

 

As for siding use, yes domestic coal with merchant offices is one, as well as a cattle dock and general loading area.

[Rowsley17D]

I have now turned my attention as to how the mainline will disappear while the branch continues after leaving the station heading north. First thoughts are that the mainline should enter a tunnel, but where it does is very close to the branch-line. I don't want a twin tunnel as it will take up the room where I want revised access to the goods-yard. A solution could be that the civil engineers built a massive retaining wall so they didn't have to disturb the mainline tunnel and did away with the need for a tunnel for the branch.

 

So this is what it might look like.

 

 

 

Is this any good or do I need to think again? After the wing wall, the retaining wall will be bartered as at present it is vertical. A chunk of insulation foam will be put on top acting as the hill that is tunnelled and retained.

[Jason T]

Honest opinion here, it looks a tad contrived. Why would they tunnel through for the main and not the branch, rather than re-routing the main. Do the two lines move further apart later on or do they remain parallel? Could you add a bridge over all lines with the backscene board cutting over the main line behind the bridge and then continuing between the two?

[Rowsley17D]

Honest opinion here, it looks a tad contrived. Why would they tunnel through for the main and not the branch, rather than re-routing the main. Do the two lines move further apart later on or do they remain parallel? Could you add a bridge over all lines with the backscene board cutting over the main line behind the bridge and then continuing between the two?

 

Hi Jason, I agree. In my world the branch was put in after the mainline had been built, but still looks implausible. Here is the site.

 

[LNER4479]

I agree with Jason - it looks like a model railway solution!

 

Why not run a ridge of rock / grass gradually descending from left to right (starting with it at the height of the cut out)? That way the mainline trains will gradually disappear from view and promote the idea of the two lines diverging.

 

First thing that popped into my head!

[Rowsley17D]

I agree with Jason - it looks like a model railway solution!

 

Why not run a ridge of rock / grass gradually descending from left to right (starting with it at the height of the cut out)? That way the mainline trains will gradually disappear from view and promote the idea of the two lines diverging.

 

First thing that popped into my head!

 

Must admit that is the way I am heading, the width of the cut-out is too wide anyway, so things would disappear quicker anyway.

Edited May 19, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

Crude mock-up of cutting idea.

 

 

And the tunnel mouth will not be wasted as it will go here. Shades of Dove Holes?

 

[George Leacon]

Hi, I must admit that I have toyed with the idea of having access to the yard further down the branch, then the sidings could just be backed into, and/or, connecting the long siding that follows the mainline so that it makes a goods loop which by which trains can enter the yard without having to reverse. May just have to have a play with Templot again to what will fit.

 

As for siding use, yes domestic coal with merchant offices is one, as well as a cattle dock and general loading area.

 

As a general principle: the real engineers designed layouts which ensured the absolute minimum amount of shunting was required to split & assemble the trains; shunting took up masses amount of time and money and was highly inefficient. The Midland Railway (along with many others) did have a hatred of facing points, so reversing trains into the goods yard is the right way to go, but I would have the trailing point giving entry to the GY at the beginning of your sidings (with the exception of the headshunt) so that the amount of hauling and propelling is limited. I suggest looking at some track diagrams from the Peak District goods yards to see how they were layed out.

 

Looking forward to seeing it progress mate :-)

 

Ben

[Rowsley17D]

Having put how to make the mainline disappear on the backburner for the time being, I returned my attention to the goods yard again. Having discovered my camera can stitch three photos together, here is a view of most of the yard with Templot turnouts.

 

 

The yard exit turnout and the headshunt. It's half as long again as the junction diamonds.

 

The turnout to the goods shed.

 

The turnouts to the remaining sidings, cattle, general and coal.

 

I have kept the turnout on the loop that directly accesses the shed as I made it and I am going to use it!

Edited May 21, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

A couple of turnouts have been built for the goods yard over the last few days. Here is the exit from the yard.

 

And its twin that leads to the head-shunt.

 

Next, onto the one that leads to the goods shed.

[Rowsley17D]

The turnout to the goods shed has been completed and laid together with the turnout that joins with the one on the goods loop.

The turnout for the shed.

 

A view along the line.

 

The turnout that returns to the line to the originally planned yard exit. Slide chairs are yet to be fitted. This makes an additional goods run-round without occupying platform 3.

 

Only two more to do!

Edited June 1, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

The slide chairs were fitted to the direct goods shed exit turnout and the siding continued down to the shed itself.

Note - typical shot to include reading glasses as per Larry Coachmann

 

Yard Jocko shunts vans into the shed for unloading while an empty coal train takes the branch.

The point motor for the direct shed exit turnout (seen here) was installed and platform 3 turnout motor had to be moved to make way for the shed siding.

 

Only these two to make now, which I think I will do as one unit.

Edited June 2, 2015 by Rowsley17D

[Rowsley17D]

The last two turnouts for the layout were more or less completed today. Just the slide chairs to fit.

 

 

 

Plain track was temporarily fitted to the turnouts to see what the best formation would be.

 

 

Possibilities include a cattle dock, general goods loading and unloading and a coal merchants' siding with a small range of offices.

[Rowsley17D]

Just back from a visit to friends in Liverpool so a call was made to Arcadia in Shaw on the way there and Hattons while in the city. Four wagons purchased, Ratio cattle dock and Wills coal bunkers purchased for some kit-bashing at a later date. Hattons had some motor driven Ratio LMS signals at £22 a piece but managed to resit.. for now anyway!.