Waverley West Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Hi folks, Last night, I applied some Woodland Scenics Realistic Water to my river bed and it turned milky or cloudy overnight, even though I only added a pretty thin layer as per the instructions. I have read in various places that this milky appearance will disappear with time, but I was wondering if any other RMWebbers had got the same milky appearance which then disappeared? And if so, how long did it take? Now that temperatures are falling again, I probably haven't chosen the best time to add the water, but I wanted to leave it to last in my scenic section so that it didn't get spoiled. The bottle I used was probably around 10 years old and I have used it before without any problems (so it had been opened before). It seemed to still be runny so I thought I'd use it again, but I'm thinking now that maybe this wasn't such a good idea. As the river is otherwise pretty much finished, I dread the thought of having to rip it up and start again. This is the river as it stands after the 24 hours of curing as per the instructions... Any help, experiences or (especially!) reassurance would be gratefully received. Yours Worried of Waverley West Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R A Watson Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 You will find that it can go milky if the weather is cold or the atmosphere is damp when you apply it. This state will stay but will only be noticeable during these climatic conditions and will disappear when the better weather returns. Wally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I have found that if you apply it over a river bed which has pva glue in its composition, this causes woodland scenics water to cloud up initially, though in my experience, this fades away after a day or two. I wouldn't worry, your river looks excellent, if any cloudy ness persists just blame pollution! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HealeyMills Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Hi Dave, Exactly the same thing happened for me..... but the cloudiness does go, it takes a good while but it does go so don't panic. HTH Cheers Lee Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Thanks for the feedback, guys. There's been no obvious change (3 days and counting). So fingers crossed that it clears up with time. I think I've just about got enough depth to cover the bed and redo if absolutely necessary. Cheers Dave Hi Dave, Exactly the same thing happened for me..... but the cloudiness does go, it takes a good while but it does go so don't panic. HTH Cheers Lee Cheers Lee, that's what I was really hoping to hear! Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Interesting, I used the remains of some Realistic Water for my stream after I wasn't satisfied with the PVA I'd used before (about 4 coats). I had no problems, but I did put it on in about 4 layers of less than mm each over about a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montague Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 How did it go? I have just applied Realistic water for the first time, and dried (I thought at least) poodles of pva glue on the river floor (that I had used to secure talus) turned white!! I hope it disappears but I guess not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted November 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2013 dried poodles of pva glue They can't have been easy to model convincingly! I had the "milky water" problem, which largely sorted itself out over a few days after application - luckily, as I was modelling a fairly narrow stream, I was able to hide the area that stayed stubbornly milky (and remains so) under some overhanging foliage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montague Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 They can't have been easy to model convincingly! I had the "milky water" problem, which largely sorted itself out over a few days after application - luckily, as I was modelling a fairly narrow stream, I was able to hide the area that stayed stubbornly milky (and remains so) under some overhanging foliage. I guess I have to come up with a convincing backstory of a chemical plant upriver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted November 17, 2013 Author Share Posted November 17, 2013 Hi folks, Thanks for all your feedback. Will post some pics when I get chance, but the "milkiness" of my Realistic Water has now pretty much disappeared. Patience is obviously the key word! Cheers,Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will J Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 After all my certainty the the Realistic Water would all come good in the end, I have ended up with a mess beneath Victoria Bridge. The river was poured in four thin layers of the stuff, whereas the first three layers (with nothing in between them) went crystal clear in days, the top layer dried clear (ish), insofar as it looked much like Dave's river at the head of this thread. This was OK, but the top layer then clouded over. This has meant the whole river has had to be peeled off, leaving a nice murky river bed, and the canoeists carefully rescued with a scalpel! Does anyone have a more reliable method to pour water in one go (presumably a two part resin) to about an inch thick? If there was a product on the shelves next week at Warley that people swear by for clarity, I'd be interested. Cheers, Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JZ Posted November 17, 2013 Share Posted November 17, 2013 Cold always say the fish are spawning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaz Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I have found any of the 'glues' used to make water, either start out white or can have a tendency to have a milky appearance for a while. They eventually turn clear, I quite like the milky colouring in some instances, and have attempted to copy this especially in the waterfalls i do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 I've had no trouble with Realistic water as I said before here is a pick of my stream. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted February 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2014 It'll also go milky once hardened if allowed to remain in cold/damp conditions, like in a shed over winter. But again it will sort itself out once returned to room temperature. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted February 5, 2014 Share Posted February 5, 2014 To be fair my layout is in a bedroom therefore does not get cold or damp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted February 5, 2014 Author Share Posted February 5, 2014 Just to clarify (pun intended), my stream has now cleared completely and I'm planning on adding a bit more water to it. I will attempt to add just a thin layer each time though. Maybe I added too much last time. Will post a pic or two when I get chance. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 I built this diorama a few years back and used Noch's Realistic Water (the same product as Woodland Scenics I think) The river bottom was covered with track ballast and painted before adding the "water" The level, yet uneven, surface gives a nice shimmering effect. The smoke and the area under the bridge is Photoshopped. The rest is au natural in sunshine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted February 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2014 The trees look terrific - how did you make them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Didn't make them. They are all bought. I trimmed and improved them slightly but that's all. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Colin Posted February 6, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 6, 2014 Hi Stefan That's a shame - I was hoping you were going to tell me how you made them! Great diorama anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waverley West Posted February 9, 2014 Author Share Posted February 9, 2014 Hi again folks, Here is a pic of the current state of the stream on Waverley West as promised. I'm very happy with it now, although I think another layer or two of water might make it even better... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2014 I built this diorama a few years back and used Noch's Realistic Water (the same product as Woodland Scenics I think) The river bottom was covered with track ballast and painted before adding the "water" The level, yet uneven, surface gives a nice shimmering effect. The smoke and the area under the bridge is Photoshopped. The rest is au natural in sunshine. A bit off topic I'm afraid. I like the steam launch. Is it a [big] Billings Boats hull with a scratchbuilt interior? I have one on the 'to do' list for my layout but haven't really thought about the interior yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knobhead Posted February 9, 2014 Share Posted February 9, 2014 Yes! It's a large lifeboat from one of their wooden ship models. I only bought a bag of Billing goodies so I couldn't tell you which kit it was from though. Regards, Stefan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium The White Rabbit Posted February 9, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks, it looks like one from the F233 twinpack - I have a hull already. Do you have a photo of the interior at all? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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