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Prodigy Express experience with Bachmann On30


Jeff Smith

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I wondered whether anyone had any experience with using an MRC/Gaugemaster Prodigy Express DCC starter set with factory fitted Bachmann DCC chips? I don't know if the same chips are fitted to British outline but I intend to get an MRC Prodigy Express to run US Bachmann On30 DCC fitted locos. I read a review on Amazon.com (US site) that a Bachmann loco was very speed sensitive with an Express but not so with the Bachmann DCC controller - is this likely to be a programming issue?

 

Jeff

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I run a lot of Bachmann Spectrum On30 with a variety of systems - Lenz, Roco, Dynamis and NCE - I haven't noticed any marked difference in response when I swap systems.

 

They may be sensitive to the Gaugemaster unit but I haven't read anything to that end and I can't imagine why.

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I know from experience that Bachmann Spectrum On30 locos work fine with the standard Gaugemaster Prodigy so I can't really see why the Prodigy Express system shouldn't also work. I have just ordered an Express system myself for a new On30 project so should be able to update you on performance later next week.

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I have what may be a silly question about using a programming track.  I have created an isolated siding to be used for programming so presumably this will be permanently hooked to the programming track output from the booster.  Can I run a loco into the siding - in other words during normal operation do the control functions feed both the main track and programming track?

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I have that exact set up with my lenz system.

 

 The only thing you may have to do is is connect your program siding thru a DPDT switch, as I have done.

 

 Center terminals on DPDT switch is connected to program track.

 

 Terminals on one end is connected to program output of DCC system.

 

Terminals on other end of DPDT is connected to normal DCC output to track.

 

 Run loco on to program track, put switch to program, program loco, switch back to run mode and drive loco off program track.

 

 Cheers

 

  Ian

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I'm a Digitrax person, but the principle of sticking with a specialist manufacturer always seems the best bet.

 

NCE makes DCC stuff, that's all, so their reputation and future is entirely in DCC.

 

MRC make all sorts of model controllers - I had a Varipower slot-car throttle from them in the '60s - and they sell very well in DC trains, so are much less of a specialist DCC concern.

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- in other words during normal operation do the control functions feed both the main track and programming track?

 

The answer is no they don't and if you allow a train to run into a siding that is connected to the programming outlets, you stand a good chance of ruining the command station altogether and irretrievably.

 

I use a multi position selector switch (Maplins as i recall) which switches both rails of my isolated siding from full track power to programming to DC. First thing I do for a session is check the position of that switch.

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I have what may be a silly question about using a programming track. I have created an isolated siding to be used for programming so presumably this will be permanently hooked to the programming track output from the booster. Can I run a loco into the siding - in other words during normal operation do the control functions feed both the main track and programming track?

 

There are ways of doing this "safely" and there are ways of risking blowing part of your command station. So tread carefully.  Lots of maker's manuals over-simplify this area and lead users into problems.  Done correctly it can be almost idiot proof.

 

With the NCE PowerCab, there is a single track output which is swapped internally by the PowerCab from "mainline" to "programming".   This can lead to "oops, reprogrammed everything" mistakes, so needs some protection.   NCE sell an "autoswitch" which splits the single output into two;  mainline and programming (so get an NCE autoswitch to prevent mistakes on the mainline regardless of what you do about programming tracks).    The auto-switch has the potential to work a programming siding, though still needs some extra switches added for protection from a mistake.   

  • The simplest protection is a double-pole double-throw switch, this will allow the siding (only) to be connected to the mainline or programming outputs.  But this doesn't protect from the idiot who parks their loco across the insulating gaps.   There are more advanced solutions with extra gap sections, four (or more) pole switches, etc..  But its still just-about possible to make an operating mistake with them.   

 

Its a lot simpler to not have programming "sidings", and fit a totally isolated programming track on a bit of spare board somewhere else !  But regardless, the NCE Auto-switch is worth having for PowerCabs and other makes of system which lack independent programming track outputs. 

 

 

- Nigel

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I am leaning towards the MRC/Gaugemaster Prodigy Express for a couple of reasons:-

1. I like the idea of separate programming track connections

2. the booster is separate from the handset - this should make it lighter than the NCE PowerCab which seems to be integrated into the handset (please correct me if I am wrong)

The other contender is the Digitrax Zephyr, this has separate programming track connections but a fixed base unit (throttle).  It can however drive one DC loco although not recommended for extensive use. 

Anyone got any comments about the Zephyr?

By the way this is to drive a 2'x8' three loco On30 layout.

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Given the choice between NCE Powercab and  Prodigy Express, I would go NCE. I have both systems and I find the Express to bee too limiting and it occasionally doesn't talk to particular decoders*. It got relegated to being my bench-test unit, but has been recently retired from that task (got a decent deal on a second Lenz Set 100). My current primary system is Lenz, but we have NCE at the club, hence the Powercab. I do like the display of the MRC handset, though.

 

*Note that mine is an older unit - I bought it about 5 years ago on clearout ($100).

 

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