Collett And Hawksworth 4000 Gall Tenders

[The Fatadder]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I have been informed that no Castles had a Hawksworth tender before nationalization?

You have been informed incorrectly,

There is a list of some in the castle arriving thread, and Berkeley Castle as confirmed in this thread (ref the book of the castles)

[gwrrob]

Not quite true there was one but the amount of time was months if I recall.Bear with me and I'll find my list.Wellington is one but there are others.

 

My research for renaming the new Hornby Castle is only on the 'aircraft' named ones.

 

I'm going to do 5077 'Fairey Battle' as she had her tender from 04/47 so is ok for my period.

 

Dates they first had a Hawksworth tender are

 

5071 8/50

5072 1/52

5073 9/53

5074 1/51

5075 2/48

5076 5/52

5077 4/47

5078 10/52

5079 5/54

5080 3/53

5081 11/48

5082 3/51

 

As usual Mr Kohler has made it tough to rename from the base model.

[Castle]

Hi All,

 

I was alerted to this by OTBL and I have sent this list to him via PM but incase it's of interest to others, here we go. As far as the Hawksworth tender in the GWR era goes, the engines I can find (date of fitting in brackets) are 4083 Abbotsbury Castle (1946), 4085 Berkley Castle (1946, notorious as the engine that ran down and killed Churchward!), 4092 Dunraven Castle, 5000 Launceston Castle (1946), 5016 Montgomery Castle (1946), 5022 Wigmore Castle (1946), 5023 Brecon Castle, (1946), 5038 Morlais Castle (1946), 5077 Fairey Battle (1947), 5085 Evesham Abbey (1947) and 5087 Tintern Abbey (1946). There might be others but I'm tired so there we are - best look under the circumstances! The first built with a HW tender was 7008 Swansea Castle but that was completed in 5/48, so its a bit late...

 

I hope this helps!

 

All the best,

 

Castle

[Coach bogie]

I think that the Counties were all delivered with Hawksworth tenders too. Here is a quick comparison nof both tenders attached to Halls.

 

Collett 4000 gallon tender:

http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p608550011/h1e397ff0#h1e397ff0

 

Hawksworth 4000 gallon tender:

http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p608550011/h1415222d#h1415222d

 

Note the Hawksworth tenders fitted to Counties were unique to the class being 4" wider to match the County cab and were not attached to other classes. All other Hawksworth tenders being narrower than the County versions. The 1mm difference is really irrelevant in 4mm scale but I include to complete the picture.

 

In BR days 7008-37 was delivered from Swindon with Hawksworth tenders from new.

 

To add to the post war story 5098/9 and 7000/1/2 had a welded tank version of the Collett tender (no rivets) fitted from new in 1946 just in a case anyone is going for these five.

 

One visible anomaly with 5075 Wellington. The Hornby image has the cab end sandbox forward of the footsteps correct for engines up to 5059. On 5060 onwards (+ some BR rebuilds) these were moved back behind the cab steps.

 

As mentioned above, Castles can be a minefield and I keep learning more all the time. My latest education was the ex oil burners have the cabside hand rail set lower than the others due to the cab side shutter that was fitted at the time and along with 5005, the roof shutters fitted were never removed when returning to ‘standard’ form.

 

A clear dated image is the only way I can be reasonably accurate with my models.

 

Mike Wiltshire

[gwrrob]

Anyone know a source for a Hornby 4000g Collett tender as used on the recent Castles please.

[DCB]

The 3" extra width each side of the County tenders certainly is not insignificant  The County Tender is as wide as the flare on the top of a Collet 4000 gallon, the flat side Castle tender as the same width as the lower sides of a Collet 4000.  1mm in OO it may not sound a lot but the Hornby County is too narrow over the cab to suit the Tender and looks wrong as a consequence. Counties were big impressive beasts, wider than a King over cab and Tender and a friend of mine had a Bristol Models kit which really caught the look of the real thing in a way that the Hornby one never can.