ThePurplePrimer Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Hi What would be a suitable loco to use for a small SR shunting yard - something small ( read shortish ) and preferably RTR ( but am happy to repaint it ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 You don't quote period or give any indication of geographical location within the Southern - both are important. From the mid-1950s the Southern Region became significant users of diesel shunters of which the class that became the 08s were the most common (some of the others being 08 look-alikes like the 09) with 04s being used in a few places. Before the diesel shunters, the task of shunting the "smaller" yards was often linked with pick-up goods work, so pregrouping 0-6-0 tender locos tended to predominate - class C in the former SECR area, class C2X in the former LBSCR area and class 700 in the former LSWR area. As for tank engines, they were rarely used for shunting in the SECR area, the various E- 0-6-2T classes were sometimes used in the former LBSCR area and the G6 0-6-0T in the former LSWR area but these were the exceptions rather than the norm - and they almost never strayed from the area of their former companies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePurplePrimer Posted December 14, 2013 Author Share Posted December 14, 2013 Sorry you are quite right - I didn't explain myself very well Period I am interested in is any time between 1923 and 1947 And I am not fussed about area - I am happy to pretend that any SR loco could have turned up in this yard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dorset Wanderer Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 Terrier? I know it has it's faults but it is small! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted December 14, 2013 Share Posted December 14, 2013 A Terrier wasn't really a shunting engine - too small and too lightweight. That said, the class had specific virtues, low axle loading and ability to go round "corners", that sometimes took individual locos well away from the class' traditional haunts. So if you do have a small tight yard to shunt (which wouldn't justify the sole use of a loco 24/7) and could imagine a short industrial branch close by (but off-layout, of course) with both sharp curves and a weak underline bridge, you could probably justify the use of a Terrier as a shunter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 For pre-nationalisation diesel shunters, there were three Maunsell 0-6-0s, which can be built relatively simply from the Golden Arrow Productions resin body kit using a Bachmann 08 chassis. There was a larger number of Bulleid shunters that closely resembled an 08 but had a flatter cab roof profile and BFB wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Adding to the previous post, here are a couple of pics of my unfinished Maunsell shunter, in BR green. It is awaiting fitting of handrails and a few other finishing touches before I sit it properly on its chassis (a Bachmann 08). There were only three of these shunters and they tended to be allocated to particular yards. They were numbered 1, 2 and 3 in Southern Railway days, 15201-3 in BR days. For more information on these and the Bulleid shunters, go to the SEMG website - http://www.semgonline.com/diesel/maunsell-350_01.html or http://www.semgonline.com/diesel/class12.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 . When it comes out the Bachmann E4 might suit you well. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
51E Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 A Terrier wasn't really a shunting engine - too small and too lightweight. That said, the class had specific virtues, low axle loading and ability to go round "corners", that sometimes took individual locos well away from the class' traditional haunts. So if you do have a small tight yard to shunt (which wouldn't justify the sole use of a loco 24/7) and could imagine a short industrial branch close by (but off-layout, of course) with both sharp curves and a weak underline bridge, you could probably justify the use of a Terrier as a shunter. A couple of Terriers used to shunt Newhaven Harbour and Yards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I'm trying to think what the loco that I've seen in photos of the line between Eastern and Western Docks might have been- a 'P' class, perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bigbee Line Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 I'm trying to think what the loco that I've seen in photos of the line between Eastern and Western Docks might have been- a 'P' class, perhaps? Brian, Correct a P Class, later the 204hp diesels worked along the prom. There were also LBSC E2 tanks shunting at Dover. One of my Chargeman used to relate tales of banking goods trains out of the town yard. When the engine doing the banking was finished the driver would ease off slowly so the slack in the train was run out slowly. Apparently the driver said one day "Do you want to see a guard cry" and applied the air brake on the loco with the slack still in the train... The guard then had to hang on for dear life when the slack ran out. There had been some previous disagreement between the guard and driver. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePurplePrimer Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 Thanks for all the information Can you explain what the term "banking" means please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 Thanks for all the information Can you explain what the term "banking" means please Giving a train a shove up a bank (gradient) using one or more locomotives to push from the rear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyndonsdad1 Posted December 15, 2013 Share Posted December 15, 2013 "Mum,get my hat and coat" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePurplePrimer Posted December 15, 2013 Author Share Posted December 15, 2013 I just googled that B4 and I like that - I assume not available as RTR ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 15, 2013 Thanks for all the information Can you explain what the term "banking" means please This is banking at perhaps its most extreme! Kind regards Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted December 17, 2013 Share Posted December 17, 2013 This is banking at perhaps its most extreme! Kind regards Phil Presumably 'Big Bertha' was ill again? There are also tales of multitudes of ex-SECR R1s and ::spit:: ex-GWR Panniers banking trains out of Folkestone Harbour... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePurplePrimer Posted December 17, 2013 Author Share Posted December 17, 2013 Thanks Phil Interesting video Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted December 17, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2013 Welcome Rob Don't be fooled by the apparent lack of gradient - rather think the camera was not level Just been looking at your web site btw - super figures! Cheers Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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