RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted January 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2014 With regard to Edinburgh's Steam sheds, am I right in thinking that Haymarket served Waverley for the ECML to the south and also the Central belt, St Margaret's served Waverley for the Waverley Route and Dalry Road served Princess street for the ECML to the north? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Since you include Dalry Road, I`m assuming you`re talking about the steam era. Haymarket - almost entirely a passenger and fast freight shed. ECML to the south and Central belt of Scotland, but also north to Dundee and Aberdeen. St. Margaret`s - Waverley route to the south and Edinburgh suburban passenger. Also ex-LNER goods and mineral traffic around Edinburgh and south on the ECML. I presume they also did some goods work west of Edinburgh, since Haymarket didn`t do much. Dalry Road - passenger work out of Princes Street south down the WCML and west to Glasgow (and, in LMS days, as far as Ayr). There was also service west and north along the ex-LNER lines to get to Falkirk, Stirling, Perth and Inverness, and local passenger on the Edinburgh area ex-LMS lines. Plus goods and minerals on those same lines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted January 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2014 Dad and I were looking at an old map earlier today and it showed a shed at London road to the west of the city (almost opposite where meadow bank stadium is now) - I didn't realise there was a shed there - what was that for? Hopefully scottystitch doesn't mind me asking this question in his thread, as it seems related! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted January 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2014 pH - Yes, steam sheds is what I meant. In the last 4 months of '63, Dalry Road had two A4s. Any ideas which services they were for? They both went to Ferryhill after Dalry Road, and it would seem they saw out the end of their days there. Were A4s used on the Edinburgh -Aberdeen services. I'd have thought Ferryhill had too many A4s for just the Aberdeen - Glasgow run, but I haven't seen any photos of them on Aberdeen -Edinburgh. Amwells - The shed at meadow bank, I think that's where st Margaret's was sited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Amwells - scottystitch is right. The shed on London Road (to the east of the city BTW) was St. Margarets. Scottystitch - those 2 A4s at Dalry Road (60006/7) were not in use. The Scottish Region collected A4s which were 'surplus to requirements' in England and stockpiled them for use on the Aberdeen - Glasgow route, as others required significant maintenance and were withdrawn. I saw A4s stored at Dalry Road, Bathgate and Kittybrewster, and someone on here linked to a picture of one in store at Galashiels. I think that Edinburgh - Aberdeen services were completely dieselised before, or at least at the time, steam was removed from Haymarket in 1963. (If I'm wrong, I'm sure someone will correct me.) However, A4s did appear on that route after then. I've seen pictures of 60027 at Dundee with an Aberdeen - Edinburgh service in July 1965 (that may have been covering a diesel failure) and 60007 at Wormit on a southbound train of empty pigeon vans in June 1965. About Ferryhill having too many A4s for just the Glasgow service -all the A4s allocated there were not active at the same time. Like the ones stored at other sheds, Ferryhill kept some 'spare' themselves. The Ferryhill A4s did have at least one scheduled duty to somewhere other than Buchanan Street. The Aberdeen portion of the West Coast Postal was taken to Carstairs by an A4. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted January 13, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 13, 2014 Thanks pH, excellent food for thought. I knew of A4s reaching Dundee, but I was only aware of the Buchanan Street - Dundee West expresses. St Rollox had two, and I'm guessing they were for the Dundee and Aberdeen services. Im led to beleive there were only two 3hr expresses between Buchanan Street and Abereen in each direction, the morning engine returning home on the corresponding afternoon service. I have seen Photos of A4s on freight turns, notably milk And fish so that also absorbs some of Ferryhill's allocation. Incidentally, the two at Dalry road at the ending of '63 were 12 and 24, according to Shed by Shed Part four, Scottish by Tony Walmsley ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 St Rollox had two, and I'm guessing they were for the Dundee and Aberdeen services. Im led to beleive there were only two 3hr expresses between Buchanan Street and Abereen in each direction, the morning engine returning home on the corresponding afternoon service. Incidentally, the two at Dalry road at the ending of '63 were 12 and 24, according to Shed by Shed Part four, Scottish by Tony Walmsley ? St. Rollox never seemed to use their 2 very much. The first went there in early 1962 - one left in autumn 1964, and the other was withdrawn in autumn 1965. I'm interested to see the numbers of the A4s stored at Dalry Road. As I said, the two I saw there in April 1964 were 60006/7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I saw A4s stored at Dalry Road, Bathgate and Kittybrewster, and someone on here linked to a picture of one in store at Galashiels. That would be 60026 Miles Beevor in January '64: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=25189 ...and at Dalry Road in the same month, here is 60006: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete.php?id=22228 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium amwells Posted January 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 14, 2014 Rather embarrassed about getting my east and west mixed up there - you would think after 16 years living in a place I could get that right! Thanks for the info and I look forward to seeing this thread develop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted January 14, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2014 St. Rollox never seemed to use their 2 very much. The first went there in early 1962 - one left in autumn 1964, and the other was withdrawn in autumn 1965. I'm interested to see the numbers of the A4s stored at Dalry Road. As I said, the two I saw there in April 1964 were 60006/7. The shed by shed book doesn't mention them or any A4s at Dalry Road after Sept '63 - Jan '64. Maybe 12 and 24 were operational and therefore 'allocated', whereas 6 and 7 were stored and therefore not 'allocated'? Just a thought...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted January 14, 2014 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2014 The shed by shed book doesn't mention them or any A4s at Dalry Road after Sept '63 - Jan '64. Maybe 12 and 24 were operational and therefore 'allocated', whereas 6 and 7 were stored and therefore not 'allocated'? Just a thought...... Further to this, I've gone back and dug out Twilight of Scottish Steam by Dr. David Hucknall, and he also provides evidence of 6 and 7 in store at Dalry Road in 1964, prior to going back into service in May and July '64 respectively at Ferryhill. Shed by Shed, have them both allocated to St Margaret's from October '63 to May and July '64. I'd still like to see if there are photos or a record of 12 and 24 in service September to December '63..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Don't forget Seafield ? ... and the 8 servicing (some ex-shed) points in and around the city - some were quite large. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Gringo Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Further to this, I've gone back and dug out Twilight of Scottish Steam by Dr. David Hucknall, and he also provides evidence of 6 and 7 in store at Dalry Road in 1964, prior to going back into service in May and July '64 respectively at Ferryhill. Shed by Shed, have them both allocated to St Margaret's from October '63 to May and July '64. I'd still like to see if there are photos or a record of 12 and 24 in service September to December '63..... A4, No. 7 was still in store at the rear of Dalry Road on 5th July '64, when I visited the shed on a sunny summer evening. And later that week, both Nos. 23 and 34 were noted in steam at St. Margarets, where I had a escorted visit and a ride up and down the shed-yard on 'Golden Eagle'. Oh for a time-machine, or maybe the Doctor's telephone box, as I didn't have a camera! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 15, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 15, 2014 After reading posts above, I take it the 'through' edin-abdn workings began with dieselisation, iirc initially with 2 x cl.26, c.1961/2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sulzer27jd Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 After reading posts above, I take it the 'through' edin-abdn workings began with dieselisation, iirc initially with 2 x cl.26, c.1961/2? There were through workings previously but most of the links withs loco and crew allocated would change engines. Freights would generally have the engine run through and might change crew only. The main change came at the end of 1958 when through working started with the winter timetable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andytrains Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Don't forget Seafield ? ... and the 8 servicing (some ex-shed) points in and around the city - some were quite large. Seafield was unusual in that it was a Caledonian sheds built in 1902, but was soon abandoned as the branch, which was an encroachment into NB territory was not a success. The North British then leased the shed from 1912, from the Caledonian as their own shed had become overcrowded. After the Grouping both the LMS and LNER seemed to ignore it until the second world war when the LNER used it to relieve St Margaret's overcrowding. This continued into BR days until its closure in 1962. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirvisto Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I was a regular at galashiels shed in the early sixties the first locos stored there was 60098 and 60100. They arrived when \ haymarket closed to steam and and St Margarets didn't know what to do with them. they stayed until mid 63 when they were reinstated. 60026 and 60034 arrived shortly afterwards. 60034 went first I was told it was going to Ferryhill but other reports at the time suggest it spent some time at Bathgate but I saw it in steam at St margarets,The track that 60034 was stored on was immediatly lifted leaving one lane for 60026 and the 2 08 shunters that was gala's lot at the time. The fitter that came to check 60026 over said it was going straight to Ferryhill, I think that was in April 64 s t Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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