sb67 Posted April 17, 2022 Author Share Posted April 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Grampus said: ...And no matter how good the new model will be, that does not detract in the slightest from the quality, top drawer models you have produced from some fairly unpromising raw materials! 🙂 Cheers, Paul Thank you Paul. I was just thinking I must upgrade my old Hornby Verry vans and I see Rapido are making them too! And mighty fine they look as well! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grampus Posted April 18, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2022 Funnily enough, I too have a Hornby ferry van upgrade in progress, though stalled currently. The daft part is that I have done the more difficult bit of sorting out and lowering the ride height, replacing wheels, mounting Kadees, etc; it now runs beautifully. It is the, relatively straightforward, cosmetic work on the body shell, which has slowed me down (by several years!) - not because it's complex (it is one of the relatively recent re-releases with a rather nicely done Railfreight red/grey livery). Just that the enthusiasm to do so went for a walk some time ago and has yet to return. However, it is close enough to completion (and remains a nice model) that I will dig it out and try to get it done before Rapido's variant turns up in due course! 🙂 Oh well, it's about enjoying the journey, after all... Happy modelling - best wishes, Paul 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 18, 2022 Author Share Posted April 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Grampus said: Funnily enough, I too have a Hornby ferry van upgrade in progress, though stalled currently. The daft part is that I have done the more difficult bit of sorting out and lowering the ride height, replacing wheels, mounting Kadees, etc; it now runs beautifully. It is the, relatively straightforward, cosmetic work on the body shell, which has slowed me down (by several years!) - not because it's complex (it is one of the relatively recent re-releases with a rather nicely done Railfreight red/grey livery). Just that the enthusiasm to do so went for a walk some time ago and has yet to return. However, it is close enough to completion (and remains a nice model) that I will dig it out and try to get it done before Rapido's variant turns up in due course! 🙂 Oh well, it's about enjoying the journey, after all... Happy modelling - best wishes, Paul Do you have a thread about your ferryvans, there was one on here somewhere I'm sure but I cant seem to find it. I'm just catching up on stuff I've stashed away, got a few wagon kits to start as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Grampus Posted April 18, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 18, 2022 Not me, I'm afraid - sorry. I have definitely seen a thread on here previously, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 20, 2022 Author Share Posted April 20, 2022 (edited) I've braved using the airbrush! Gave the underframes a coat of Frame Dirt as a base for more weathering. I do think it gives a nice even flat surface I wouldn't have got brush painting. I'm going to used some powders on one and washes on the other. Edited April 21, 2022 by sb67 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaZagato Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Poweers... Looking good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 hours ago, AlfaZagato said: Poweers... Looking good. Thank you. Ooops! just sorted that out 😃 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted April 21, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 hours ago, AlfaZagato said: Poweers... Looking good. Well, if you're getting picky, "used"? Mike. Tongue firmly in cheek.I knew what you meant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Well, if you're getting picky, "used"? Mike. Tongue firmly in cheek.I knew what you meant! That's the last time I USE my phone to post an update, bloody fat fingers! 😉 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted May 4, 2022 Author Share Posted May 4, 2022 All finished except for the handrails/release levers at the ends. I used some Black Smoke, Dark Earth and Dark Rust Pigments on the underframes. I've got to look at a way of replicating the rails at the ends now. 12 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted June 8, 2022 Author Share Posted June 8, 2022 I've started to add handrails to the end of the wagons but they are proving really hard to do! Anyone goy any ideas on how to do it? The top one is fine and the right hand side going down is ok, I've looked at photo's and they seemed to be a bit haphazard so I can live with them as they are but the one that goes in front of the support stanchions is proving pain to do! Any advice gratefully received. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 8, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 8, 2022 What wire are you using Steve? 0.4mm nickel silver is my choice …. And a Bill Bedford handrail jig is a boon Bill Bedford handrail jig HTH! Phil 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 10 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: What wire are you using Steve? 0.4mm nickel silver is my choice …. And a Bill Bedford handrail jig is a boon Bill Bedford handrail jig HTH! Phil I have .45mm Brass wire and I've got the handrail jig. The problem is placing the handrail and supports and holding it all in place until the glue dries, superglue is setting too fast. I've tried bits of blue tack etc. I've asked in another thread about a slow setting glue and someone has mentioned superglue gel so i might try that. Failing that I may just leave the model with the handrail at the top as there's a lot of detail compromises anyway, not giving up just yet though. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 9, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2022 What superglue are you using Steve? The high viscosity types are more controllable…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted June 9, 2022 Author Share Posted June 9, 2022 11 hours ago, Phil Bullock said: What superglue are you using Steve? The high viscosity types are more controllable…. I got some superglue Gel today, recommended on another thread. I'm going to try this evening and see how that goes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted June 9, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2022 As you have several to do, I'd consider making some form of jig and using this to solder the lower horizontal handrail to the vertical one before fitting. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/br21thopperrivet/h2f5a7ac6 The lower stands off the hopper support stanchions on brackets. I'd thread the handrail through holes drilled in some microstrip and use MEK to attach those to the stanchions. Can also use MEK to form a bond between metal and plastic, although not always that strong it's a useful method for holding parts in place while fitting. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 7 hours ago, Mark Forrest said: As you have several to do, I'd consider making some form of jig and using this to solder the lower horizontal handrail to the vertical one before fitting. https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/br21thopperrivet/h2f5a7ac6 The lower stands off the hopper support stanchions on brackets. I'd thread the handrail through holes drilled in some microstrip and use MEK to attach those to the stanchions. Can also use MEK to form a bond between metal and plastic, although not always that strong it's a useful method for holding parts in place while fitting. Thank you Mark, I did think of trying to make a jig but that stumped me. I've done what you suggested and threaded the handrails through the brackets before attaching them. Armed with some Superglue Gel I've had a go at the handrails. I cant make up my mind as to how they look or if it's better to just leave the bottom handrail off and leave the wagons like the one on the left. One thing the cruel close up shows is how big the tension lock coupling is and the mould lines on the buffer beams! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted June 10, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 10, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, sb67 said: Thank you Mark, I did think of trying to make a jig but that stumped me. I've done what you suggested and threaded the handrails through the brackets before attaching them. Armed with some Superglue Gel I've had a go at the handrails. I cant make up my mind as to how they look or if it's better to just leave the bottom handrail off and leave the wagons like the one on the left. One thing the cruel close up shows is how big the tension lock coupling is and the mould lines on the buffer beams! The handrails make a big difference Steve. We have a few hoppers of this vintage, have addressed the coupling issue by replacing them with Bachmann couplings on Parkside mounting blocks Edited June 10, 2022 by Phil Bullock 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 The ultraviolet setting glue might be your answer as it doesn’t start setting until the uv light has been used. If you can get one joint secure, you can manoeuvre the others as you go. You may need a third hand to hold the light pen, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted June 10, 2022 Author Share Posted June 10, 2022 @Phil Bullock I'm warming to the handrails. If I don't look too close and study them they don't look too bad. Thanks for the coupling tip, I'll try that. @Nick Holliday Does the UV glue have a good hold until its cured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Holliday Posted June 10, 2022 Share Posted June 10, 2022 9 hours ago, sb67 said: @Nick Holliday Does the UV glue have a good hold until its cured? No, it takes around 20-40 seconds of shining the UV light on it after which it is pretty solid. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb67 Posted June 16, 2022 Author Share Posted June 16, 2022 After much cussing, blue tack, super glue gel and taking stuff off and re doing it I've finished the end handrails. They are not 100%, I'll accept that but at a glance I like how they look and there seemed to be many prototype variations. I just need to paint and weather to blend them in now. I've included a photo that inspired it all as well. 7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted June 16, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2022 Cracking job there Steve! 👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ianLMS Posted June 16, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 09/06/2022 at 06:26, sb67 said: I have .45mm Brass wire and I've got the handrail jig. The problem is placing the handrail and supports and holding it all in place until the glue dries, superglue is setting too fast. I've tried bits of blue tack etc. I've asked in another thread about a slow setting glue and someone has mentioned superglue gel so i might try that. Failing that I may just leave the model with the handrail at the top as there's a lot of detail compromises anyway, not giving up just yet though. If the slower setting superglue is too slow, try an accelarator. The thicker glues are great for allowing time for adjustment and for gap filling but take ages to set. The thin glues set too fast so i tend to use an accelarator spray which reacts and causes the glue to set instantly. Helix is a good one. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted June 16, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 16, 2022 A bit late to the party, but, my weapons of choice are 0.3mm wire, brass or n/S, whichever you can get on with, and a 0.35mm hole to give a bit of wiggle room, 0.45 is too much of a struggle to bend sharply, and in reality is nigh on an inch and a half in diameter, more suited to the Titanic than hopper wagons IMHO! Also, totally in agreement with Mark, a jig is a must, (without wishing to sound at all iffy, I love my jigs, must have made dozens for various jobs, the latest being for the end stanchions and footsteps for the Lima seacowlion), the BB bending jig has it's uses, but for handrails the holes are too big. Mike. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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