Spitfire2865 Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hello. I recently bought a chivers bolster kit and while assembling it, it gives no indication if the bolsters were painted or left in plain unpainted wood. I have not been able to find any photos of such wagon. Could anyone help? And if anyone knows how exactly a load would be chained down, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 17, 2014 Share Posted August 17, 2014 Hello. I recently bought a chivers bolster kit and while assembling it, it gives no indication if the bolsters were painted or left in plain unpainted wood. I have not been able to find any photos of such wagon. Could anyone help? And if anyone knows how exactly a load would be chained down, I would greatly appreciate it. Thank you. Every bolster (or at least the wooden parts thereof) that I've seen has been in in unpainted wood finish. As to how a load would be secured; it depends on the nature of the load. This (BR) publication may have some pointers:- http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/Booklet_BR20426_Issue.pdf There are also a couple of books which have illustrations of loads and loading techniques which may be of use:- 'Freight Wagons of the GWR and BR (WR) ; Their Loads and Loading' which I think was published by Oxford 'British Railways Wagons; their Loads and Loadings' (two volumes) published by Silver Link. This pair are written by a pair of ex-BR Load Inspectors. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2020 The destructions for this kit suggests these were grey so does this apply to the underframe and w irons too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Cane Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 LMS wagons Vol 1 has two pictures showing as built livery. This is standard LMS grey body sides, solebar and headstocks. Black buffer heads and all below solebar. Also the is a BR period picture with a chained down load of steel RSJs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 I built this a number of years ago: Very standard livery for LMS. Grey upperworks, black underframe. Plain wood deck, heavily weathered. I used Essery's LMS Wagons as reference. John 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted November 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2020 What a beautiful job you’ve done with that model. I’ve just noticed the 3 hole wheels after I fitted the spoked type . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 Thanks. Photos are your friend here. You may find some wagons had spoked wheels. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 You may also notice spoked at one end and 3 hole disc at the other, on all sorts of wagons. Generally (i.e. unless your chosen photo shows otherwise) steel solebars and everything below them were black, wooden solebars were body colour with black ironwork. There were exceptions both ways though, often dependant on which works last painted it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 In BR condition with spoke wheels https://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/lmsplate/e148d6c37 Paul 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted April 12, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 12, 2021 Can someone confirm what the tare weight is for this vehicle please. I can't make it out on the drawing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 I reckon that's about 9 ton - something supported by this one: https://zenfolio.page.link/wTxVj Adam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Tooley Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Adam said: I reckon that's about 9 ton It does look like a 9; however there is a photo of wagon No 231331 of D1674 in An Illustrated History of LMS Wagons (Essery, OPC, 1981, plate 218) as built, with a tare of 8-16-0, and most of the other photos show a tare of around the eight and a half to nine tons mark. The wagon in the Paul Bartlett photograph is a D2067, a later and rather heavier design. D Edited April 12, 2021 by Darryl Tooley Wrong diagram number 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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