BrushType4 Posted September 14, 2014 Share Posted September 14, 2014 Hi, Does anyone know what the font is used on the Western Name plates and cast numbers please? Example; Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted September 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2014 Apparently Grotesque http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/western-nameplates.123/ Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted September 14, 2014 Author Share Posted September 14, 2014 Thanks Neil, but that is only part of the story. It's possible it's Grotesque but I can't find a match anywhere. Cynric Williams is no longer with us so I don't know what he ended up with. I'm not entirely sure that the font is not the bold version of the British Railway font. Anyone in the know who can help? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Downendian Posted September 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2014 I see what you mean. I've just looked up p21 of Diesels in depth as Cynric (bless his soul) mentioned, and it's not very specific as there are many Grotesque fonts. I'm sure I've read something in more detail elsewhere, will delve the library. Neil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted September 17, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 17, 2014 I don't think it can be the BR Rail alphabet as they came out before the alphabet was launched in 1965. But there are a few very similar fonts around. Useful letters to look at are the C, J and S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Looks like the Western made it up themselves as I found this drawing at York done in the Swindon drawing office. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 I think Misha Black of the Design Research Unit had a hand in the above Brian, with some input from John Beresford Evans during 1961, he also designed the plates used on the D600 and D800 Warships (based on GW style but with subtle differences here and there). The font used for the Westerns was also used on the WR namer Brush 4s City Of Truro, North Star, Isambard Kingdom Brunel, Sir Daniel Gooch and George Jackson Churchward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 I guessed the DRU had a hand in there somewhere as the font is so close to the later BR font. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 A cut of Grotesque is used for the green period diesel numbers, serif initially later removed from the 'D'. Whatever the actual font, it's sans and given Misha Black's involvement, a totally new design is highly likely? Further to Cornelius' suggestions, a kick on the 'R' is another giveaway. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted September 18, 2014 Author Share Posted September 18, 2014 A cut of Grotesque is used for the green period diesel numbers, serif initially later removed from the 'D'. The trouble is Grotesque is a rather generic term for sans serif fonts coined in the late 19th century and not an actual specific font. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classsix T Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 The trouble is Grotesque is a rather generic term for sans serif fonts coined in the late 19th century and not an actual specific font. Hence the preface a "cut" of. Ithangyow. C6T. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium corneliuslundie Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Brian, do you have the York reference for that document? It is something which should be photographed carefully when someone is going there so it can be used by modellers and preservation setups which have Westerns (not that I am likely to go to York). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Thought there as something in 'british rail 1948-78, a journey by design'(haresnape/IA,1979) but all it says is that Misha Black and J.Beresford Evans of Design Research Unit designed the loco and 'both numberplate and nameplates were carefully drawn and spaced to match.' Edit:oops, just noticed nidge's post #7 above Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian daniels Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Here's the bottom corner details. Best of luck finding them as these were in a roll with Warship stuff! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hence the preface a "cut" of. Ithangyow. C6T. I don't have any idea what you are talking about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
108 Posted September 20, 2014 Share Posted September 20, 2014 Also looks quite like Helvetica Bold (especially the capital G) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 Update. Some photo copies of the Western Font have found there way to me and below are the first few letters lasered out for a Westeren Enthusiast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 Update. Some photo copies of the Western Font have found there way to me and below are the first few letters lasered out for a Westeren Enthusiast. image.jpg 18.2 mm wide? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 These are cut from 6mm MDF but could be cut from 18mm material. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 These are cut from 6mm MDF but could be cut from 18mm material. I was only kidding mate - it was by way of tongue-in-cheek reference to the letters EM !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrushType4 Posted November 8, 2014 Author Share Posted November 8, 2014 I was only kidding mate - it was by way of tongue-in-cheek reference to the letters EM !!! I was a bit slow on that one! I did wonder what you was talking about! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted November 8, 2014 Share Posted November 8, 2014 If I recall correctly, David Birt's book "The Class 52s - A tribute to the Westerns" includes drawings and measurements of the nameplates and lettering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted November 9, 2014 Share Posted November 9, 2014 I like those Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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