RMweb Gold Taz Posted December 17, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2014 The H39/H40 combination was also the regular dining combination on the Cornish Riviera Express in the late 50s / very early 60s. the two pairings were (H39) 9618 or 9619 and (H40) 9623 or 9625. They were in chocolate and cream from 1956. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Beware! Three H39, nos 9611/2/3 were converted in September 1953 into buffet cars to a new diagram H.59. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
70021 Morning Star Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 To avoid any confusion on my discussing H39 & H36 designs on this H33 thread, I've opened a new thread calledBR(W) H39 Dining First & H36 Composite Dining Saloon (dining pair)Thank you, everyone, for your assistance so far. Hopefully see you on both of these restaurant car threads.Rick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 I have just been clearing out my late father's "bits" boxes and here are the Kitmaster windows mentioned previously that could be used to update the Hornby H33 body. Window frames moulded in, just need fixing in from rear. There is a tab, either side to assist in positioning and to stop them pushing through the aperture. If you want any of these let me know. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 24, 2014 Author Share Posted December 24, 2014 Thanks Mike but I will not need them on my conversion as I have bought the Comet sides which have the ventilators etched in. The build is moving slowly on and I will start showing pictures soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 25, 2014 Author Share Posted December 25, 2014 As I said yesterday some pictures. As mentioned before the brass sides are 2mm too long and as someone suggested that they were designed to fit the Hornby coach, sides and plug in ends (the extra 1mm at each end) After some thought I decided to cheat by not trying to trim 1mm off each end but to use the new sides to cover the old sides and ends. This meant giving the plug in end a very slight ridge with microstrip. These are the white bits at the end of the carriage roof. The carriage ends have been treated by cutting off the moulded handrails and plastic corridor connections. The sides have been rubbed down to get rid of the raised detail (what appear to be grey handles and door grabs). The pencil marks are the cutting marks. I have already shaved off the moulded handrails on the roof and replaced them with brass wire. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 25, 2014 (edited) As I said yesterday some pictures. As mentioned before the brass sides are 2mm too long and as someone suggested that they were designed to fit the Hornby coach, sides and plug in ends (the extra 1mm at each end) After some thought I decided to cheat by not trying to trim 1mm off each end but to use the new sides to cover the old sides and ends. This meant giving the plug in end a very slight ridge with microstrip. These are the white bits at the end of the carriage roof. The carriage ends have been treated by cutting off the moulded handrails and plastic corridor connections. The sides have been rubbed down to get rid of the raised detail (what appear to be grey handles and door grabs). The pencil marks are the cutting marks. H33 f1.jpg H33 f2.jpg I have already shaved off the moulded handrails on the roof and replaced them with brass wire. H33 f3.jpg Looking good Alan. I did something similar to this a few years ago. I started off with the intention of just putting Comet sides on the Hornby body, but one thing led to another and I ended up replacing everything except the roof and the interior moulding, as below. Note that the gas cylinders should run longitudinally not laterally, but I can't be bothered to change mine now. I see that one of the grab handles has fallen off as well, which I will get round to fixing (eventually). Good luck. (edited to spell cylinders properly) Edited December 25, 2014 by St Enodoc 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 26, 2014 Author Share Posted December 26, 2014 Looks good St Enodoc. Could you or anyone else tell me if the green seats are correct for an H33 painted maroon rather than blood and custard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 26, 2014 Looks good St Enodoc. Could you or anyone else tell me if the green seats are correct for an H33 painted maroon rather than blood and custard. Sorry Alan, I don't know. I had no information at all as to the correct seat colours so just used something that looked sensible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 28, 2014 Author Share Posted December 28, 2014 Further work done yesterday. The unwanted parts of the body cut out and cleaned up followed by the gluing of the sides using Evo stick. More work will be done today. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 29, 2014 Author Share Posted December 29, 2014 Bits now added. the door handles and grab handles from a comet fret. the hinges from some thin brass rod. Slightly too long I know. All superglued into place. Tomorrow will be the clean before priming ala Tony Wright with Red oxide and then spraying with Ford Burgundy Red. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 29, 2014 Bits now added. the door handles and grab handles from a comet fret. the hinges from some thin brass rod. Slightly too long I know. All superglued into place. Tomorrow will be the clean before priming ala Tony Wright with Red oxide and then spraying with Ford Burgundy Red. handles etc f1.jpg handles etc f2.jpg handles etc f3.jpg Alan, I would have been inclined to fit the T-handles and grab handles after painting and lining... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 29, 2014 Looking very nice, Hopefully my doner coach will arrive tomorrow (along with a couple of brakes which will be getting comet sides) For the H33 the plan is to do a test fit with a Bachmann mk1 window and see how it looks before deciding if I'm going to do this or go down the brass sides for this as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2014 So after a quick comparison with some mk1 windows, they are narrower than the H33 windows, so looks like that is out. So will be ordering the Comet etches this evening. Can anyone adise where I can find some prototype photos? I've looked in my copies of Russel and only found a drawing in vol2, I've also looked in my copy of Harris GW Coaches, but it's not indexed by diagram and in the chapter on resturant coaches i couldn't see anything. Looking for info on the end, under frame and roof to assist my improvements Thamks Rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted December 30, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 30, 2014 (edited) So after a quick comparison with some mk1 windows, they are narrower than the H33 windows, so looks like that is out. So will be ordering the Comet etches this evening. Can anyone adise where I can find some prototype photos? I've looked in my copies of Russel and only found a drawing in vol2, I've also looked in my copy of Harris GW Coaches, but it's not indexed by diagram and in the chapter on resturant coaches i couldn't see anything. Looking for info on the end, under frame and roof to assist my improvements Thamks Rich Rich, you need Russell Appendix 2. Fig 199 is a broadside works photo of the kitchen side of 9578 and fig 201 is a three-quarter view (in a train) of the corridor side of 9579, in both cases after sliding ventilators were fitted. There is also a photo of the corridor side of 9580 after conversion to a buffet car. There are a number of photos of other diagrams showing the end arrangements which should be a useful guide for you. The Hornby roof is pretty good as it is if you upgrade things like handrails and ventilators. (edited to add further information) Edited December 30, 2014 by St Enodoc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted December 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 30, 2014 Rich, you need Russell Appendix 2. Fig 199 is a broadside works photo of the kitchen side of 9578 and fig 201 is a three-quarter view (in a train) of 9579, in both case after sliding ventilators were fitted. There is also a photo of 9580 after conversion to a buffet car. There are a number of photos of other diagrams showing the end arrangements which should be a useful guide for you. The Hornby roof is pretty good as it is if you upgrade things like handrails and ventilators. Thanks for the heads up, will keep an eye out for a copy... Why does the photo you want always happen to be in the volume you don't have.... My plan was to replace the ventilators and hand rails, but I was interested in checking the accuracy of the rectangular box in the centre of the roof. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The rectangular box is a vent cowl so it should be open at the ends, but it is otherwise accurate. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 30, 2014 Author Share Posted December 30, 2014 St Enodoc. with my hamfisted skills I think I would have got superglue everywhere and ruined the paint finish. Last time I used Brass sides I did it this way and scraped the paint off the relevant bits as I discovered does Tony Wright 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yesterday afternoon spent some time painting the interior as suggested by Andy M Blue for first class and maroon (Red/brown for second class and white table tops. Not sure yet whether to paint the kitchen silver to give a stainless steel look. I also added the handrails on each end, gave the sides a final clean up with the old fibre brush and then primed the coach with Red Oxide primer, and gave it a second coat this morning. Tomorrow it will get the first top coat of Ford Burgundy Red. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 (edited) In GWR days, the first class patrons got table lamps and anti-macassars (the, typically white, cloths at the top of the seat backs). Adrian Edit. changed diners to patrons to avoid confusion between the people and the coaches Edited December 31, 2014 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'm glad I am modelling it in late WR times then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted January 3, 2015 Author Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Three coats of Ford Burgundy red It is darker than it looks. Monday I will order the lining. Next is to put the footsteps on the chassis and perhaps paint the kitchen area. does any body know what that might be. I am assuming the sinks and cooker would be stainless. would the cupboards underneath the sink be the stainless as well? Edited January 3, 2015 by westerner 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Three coats of Ford Burgundy red topcoat f1a.jpg topcoat f2.jpg It is darker than it looks. Monday I will order the lining. Next is to put the footsteps on the canopy and perhaps paint the kitchen area. does any body know what that might be. I am assuming the sinks and cooker would be stainless. would the cupboards underneath the sink be the stainless as well? Remember that the windows into the kitchen area are all hammered glass, so you shouldn't be able to see through them. The only visibility would be through the doorway from the corridor. That being said, there is a photo of the kitchen area of an H49 (ex-articulated stock) in Russell's Appendix 2 (Fig 293). In that one there don't appear to be cabinets under the sink area, and there are wire rack shelves under the counter area. The oven doors appear to be mainly dark glass. Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 3, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 3, 2015 Looking very good, not sure I will be getting mine painted in quite as short time after finishing the build. But construction is progressing quickly on my blog here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/853/entry-15375-gwr-h33-detailing/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerner Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 Roof has had its first coat. as normal photos cruelly show where I need to look again and touch up etc.. However the grey roof brings out the maroon more. The decals are on order. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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