JohnH Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 Just wondered if anyone knows of a source for a 4mm scale drawing for PRA china clay wagons? Thanks for any help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 (edited) You thinking about these as well? Drawing here I'm sure Modelling the British Rail Era, ISBN 0 9507960 8 5 Rgds mark Edited December 8, 2014 by westie7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted December 8, 2014 Share Posted December 8, 2014 I think there may be one in this book:- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Modelling-British-Rail-Era-Modellers/dp/0950796085 My copy's in the garage, so I won't have a chance to check before going to work . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted December 8, 2014 Author Share Posted December 8, 2014 Thanks Gents, I'll track one down on Amazon. Cheers John. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoker Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Alternatively, you could get in contact with the person who made this:http://www.shapeways.com/model/424124/pra-china-clay-wagon-n-scale-1-148.html?li=search-results-1&materialId=61That's assuming they used drawings. If not, they might be able to make a OO scale model available. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Apologies for resurrecting this thread. I have a copy of the drawing for these wagons but I've never scratch built a wagon before. Would there be a suitable kit that could be used to at least for the chassis? The main parts of the body don't look too bad and the end platforms could be reasonably recreated. Cheers Eddie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Eddie I looked into it once upon a time. When you break it down, chassis, simple body, top cover and ends/handrails, it should be doable. Needs an etch designed though This and the Alumina PAA/PAB have always been a bit of a sticking point for WHL freight. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Eddie I looked into it once upon a time. When you break it down, chassis, simple body, top cover and ends/handrails, it should be doable. Needs an etch designed though This and the Alumina PAA/PAB have always been a bit of a sticking point for WHL freight. Mark Mark, Yeah they really were signature wagons for the WHL, especially in the period I am modelling (1985/86) Once I get the Inverness show out the road, I'll probably take a bit more time and see what I can knock up. Eddie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Those wagons were built on chassis recovered from APCM cement vans (PVV, numbered 62xx) if it's any help. Edited April 25, 2017 by eastwestdivide Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 (edited) Hi all, Some time ago I did some work on these with a view to getting one of the kit makers interested. Eddie - I'll send a copy direct to you. Mark - copied in for info. Thanks Edited April 25, 2017 by Scottish Modeller 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 Hi Phil - I'm still no further on with my own PRA construction project. Any chance of sending me details of your progress Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I used a Bachmann TTA chassis - with modification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnH Posted April 25, 2017 Author Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'd got as far as chopping up some old Hornby TTA chassis and cutting out 3mm plasticard to make the basic 'box' body. I've recently been working on various QCAD etch artwork drawings for the end platforms/etc but progress is slow... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eddie reffin Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Thanks for that email Phil. I am unable to reply from that account-don't know why, think it's a BT thing! Have been able to download it ok though so gives me a bit more impetus to give it a go. Was there ever a kit of the PVV that could be used to start with? Interesting idea about using old TTA chassis as a starting point as they are cheap and easy to come by Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I think there may be one in this book:- http://www.amazon.co.uk/Modelling-British-Rail-Era-Modellers/dp/0950796085 My copy's in the garage, so I won't have a chance to check before going to work . There is indeed info and drawings on the PAB and PRA wagons in the above book, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 Thanks for that email Phil. I am unable to reply from that account-don't know why, think it's a BT thing! Have been able to download it ok though so gives me a bit more impetus to give it a go. Was there ever a kit of the PVV that could be used to start with? Interesting idea about using old TTA chassis as a starting point as they are cheap and easy to come by Cheers Hi Eddie, Glad you got the info etc... No - there has not been a model of the BCC Pallet Vans either as a kit or RTR. In N - the nearest is the Peco pallet van which is short by about 6mm if I remember correctly. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted April 25, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'd got as far as chopping up some old Hornby TTA chassis and cutting out 3mm plasticard to make the basic 'box' body. I've recently been working on various QCAD etch artwork drawings for the end platforms/etc but progress is slow... Hi John, Interesting to here about the use of the TTA chassis. I will have to stick one up against the drawings for a look see! Thanks 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hi all, Some time ago I did some work on these with a view to getting one of the kit makers interested. Eddie - I'll send a copy direct to you. Mark - copied in for info. Thanks Hi Phil The discussion thread has gone quiet hence my resurrection. I would love to get my hands on 3 or 4 00 gauge PRA's for my WHL layout hence I am wondering if your efforts to get kit makers interested in PRA's resulted in any sort of progress? regards Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hi Phil The discussion thread has gone quiet hence my resurrection. I would love to get my hands on 3 or 4 00 gauge PRA's for my WHL layout hence I am wondering if your efforts to get kit makers interested in PRA's resulted in any sort of progress? regards Rob Hi Rob, No take up by the kitmakers I'm sorry to report. I've explored a couple of other options s well - still waiting to see if a positive outcome is the result. That's why it's gone no further from my side. - a waiting game it seems! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hi Rob, No take up by the kitmakers I'm sorry to report. I've explored a couple of other options s well - still waiting to see if a positive outcome is the result. That's why it's gone no further from my side. - a waiting game it seems! Thanks Thanks Phil According to Paul Bartlett's website, only 14 were made so I guess it is hard to persuade manufacturers or kitmakers that there is a potential market. I had hoped that with an rising number of increasingly obscure rolling stock being produced, that someone would have seen the potential in a PRA. regards Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 There is plenty scope within the chassis that the PRA sits on as they were original the APCM BV/PVV's vans and later became scrap carriers for Allied Steel and Wire traffic! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 There is plenty scope within the chassis that the PRA sits on as they were original the APCM BV/PVV's vans and later became scrap carriers for Allied Steel and Wire traffic! Mark Saunders Hi Mark So I understand, there are also drawings of the PRA that could be used either by a kitmaker or a scratch builder. Being ignorant of the original PVV van, I wonder if any manufacturer produces them? Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted March 26, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hi Mark So I understand, there are also drawings of the PRA that could be used either by a kitmaker or a scratch builder. Being ignorant of the original PVV van, I wonder if any manufacturer produces them? Rob Hi Rob, Join DEMU to access the magazinearchive online and you will find drawings. In the meantime... Here's something I did a while ago.... APCM_Pallet_Vans.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted March 26, 2018 Share Posted March 26, 2018 Hi Mark So I understand, there are also drawings of the PRA that could be used either by a kitmaker or a scratch builder. Being ignorant of the original PVV van, I wonder if any manufacturer produces them? Rob There is a drawing published of the PRA but is based on photographs and diagrams. It is in "Modelling the British Rail era" by Flemming, Flint, Gibbons & Taylor; ISBN 0 9507960 8 5 Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold young37215 Posted March 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 27, 2018 Phil, Mark Thanks for your comments, what I meant to ask was does any manufacturer make a PVV?. I think the answer is no but I would like to be clear. If Phil has not persuaded Kitmakers to consider a PRA with his impressive 'reasons to' document then there seems little likelihood of this niche wagon being anything other than a custom built one. For me scratch building a PRA is way down my priority list at present (and even lower down my capability list!). regards Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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