TotalLamer Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 ...with plenty of switches, wyes and diamonds? Β Feast your eyes on Hopewell, Virginia.Β It's even got a diamond operated by a pair of hand-throw switches. Β http://binged.it/1yKcv3R Β If anyone's interested in a color-coded map to untangle this mess of tracks into its' NS and CSX components, I could do that. Β Β 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 What's the track by the waters edge for? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Here's the diamond. Β Edited January 21, 2015 by TotalLamer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) If it is not too difficult! Having trouble sorting the photo out.....EDIT: I meant the overhead view......interesting diamond, that. Β Is it the usual mish-mash of industries? Β Thanks for posting this. Β Best, Pete. Edited January 21, 2015 by trisonic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted January 21, 2015 Author Share Posted January 21, 2015 What's the track by the waters edge for? Β Not sure. Β Maybe nothing specific anymore. Β Hopewell has been a center of industrial activity since DuPont pretty much created it around the turn of the last century. Β Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 (edited) Just when you think you've got a handle on what is where, you discover another track leading off... Β Ihaven't even found that particular diamond yet! Edited January 21, 2015 by Talltim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 This trackwork seems a bit extreme for a simple approx 5 spot spur http://binged.it/1CeQkpc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 (edited) What's the track by the waters edge for? There's been tracks near the water there for 150 years. Β City Point is the park area at the bottom of the original link. Edited January 22, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted January 22, 2015 Author Share Posted January 22, 2015 This trackwork seems a bit extreme for a simple approx 5 spot spur http://binged.it/1CeQkpc Β It's so they can be serviced by both NS and CSX. Β Rates are much cheaper when you've got access to more than one railroad. Β The line passing closest to the industry is CSX's industrial lead, while everything further away is part of NS's yard, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 22, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 22, 2015 Just when you think you've got a handle on what is where, you discover another track leading off... Β Ihaven't even found that particular diamond yet! Try the Google maps version http://goo.gl/maps/lClZi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 If it is not too difficult! Having trouble sorting the photo out.....EDIT: I meant the overhead view......interesting diamond, that. Β Is it the usual mish-mash of industries? Β Thanks for posting this. Β Best, Pete. Β It's prototypically normal.Β Standard manganese frogs, switched points due to the shallow angle and the required easer rails on the shallow vees.Β OTOH I don't think any RTR diamond has those normal features. Β Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 ...with plenty of switches, wyes and diamonds? Β Feast your eyes on Hopewell, Virginia.Β It's even got a diamond operated by a pair of hand-throw switches. Β http://binged.it/1yKcv3R Β If anyone's interested in a color-coded map to untangle this mess of tracks into its' NS and CSX components, I could do that. Β I like how, if you zoom in, a whole new yard and plant appears. Β Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Nice - don't think I've ever seen a hand thrown switch-diamond before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 And a river swing bridge to the NW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 And a river swing bridge to the NW Β Yes, over the Appomattox River. There appears of be a 40'Β clearance and a nominal 6' dredged channel on the river all the way to Petersburg, so the swing bridge is necessary (only 10'Β clearance when closed). Β Relevant chart: http://www.charts.noaa.gov/PDFs/12252.pdf Β Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 And a river swing bridge to the NW Β A swing bridge that still has a bridge-tender, no less! Β Its' normal position is open for river traffic, only lining for the railroad when necessary. Β You'll hear trains talking to him on the radio from time to time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalLamer Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I like how, if you zoom in, a whole new yard and plant appears. Β Adrian Β Yeah it's an ethanol plant that was built around 2010. Β Unfortunately the company went out of business sometime shortly thereafter and it never went into operation. Β Recently the Hopewell city council voted on incentives to bring in another company to take the plant over and it seems to be running now. Β NS is the only one that works it though so I've never been in there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I finally got chance to open the OP link at home just now... never mind crazy industries and rails everywhere.... I went across the town a bit and found THIS... Β Β What is a Roundabout doing in N. America...????? Do they know what it is?? Doesn't it confuse them??? Β Β Coat on, left the building........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trisonic Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) We have a lot in New Jersey, Jordan....they call them βCirclesβ. Β What caused Β confusion was when the NJ DoT changed the rules from βentry priorityβ to priority from the left... Β Β Best, Pete Edited January 23, 2015 by trisonic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugsley Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What is a Roundabout doing in N. America...????? Do they know what it is?? Doesn't it confuse them??? Β Β Coat on, left the building........ Dunno about the US, but they seem to be spreading in Canada. At one point I think there was only one roundabout in the whole of Nova Scotia, the Armdale Rotary, but there's a few more these days: http://novascotia.ca/tran/roundabout/roundabout.asp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) There have been roundabouts/traffic circles in various bits of North America for a long time, but the rules tend to be variable which makes them somewhat confusing to use. Long Beach, CA https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=33.78958,-118.142689&spn=0.002613,0.002401&t=h&z=19 Philadelphia, PA https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=39.957472,-75.171263&spn=0.004821,0.004801&t=h&z=18 Rumford, ME https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.547709,-70.549283&spn=0.001585,0.002401&t=h&z=19 The new standard pattern one that has been showing up in Ontario https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.261802,-76.774709&spn=0.0016,0.002401&t=h&z=19 Β There was one in Kingston, ON in my youth, but it was replaced by traffic lights in the '70s because it confused too many people. Β Also, a lot of towns had a central park/square (which may have been round), so you got something resembling a roundabout. Goderich, ON https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=43.742798,-81.7114&spn=0.003228,0.004801&t=h&z=18 Gettysburg, PA https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=39.830707,-77.231124&spn=0.001716,0.002401&t=h&z=19 Sunbury, PA https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=40.86211,-76.793747&spn=0.00338,0.004801&t=h&z=18 Β Adrian Edited January 23, 2015 by Adrian Wintle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 The grief that arises from introducing traffic circles in the US arises from the rules for the 4-way Stop, which is the normal for unsignalled crossroads with no major route.Β The 4-way rule includes the requirement to give way to the RIGHT, once there is stationary traffic at the Stop signs. Clearly for RHS driving, a roundabout needs give way to the LEFT to work properly. Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40019 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I finally got chance to open the OP link at home just now... never mind crazy industries and rails everywhere.... I went across the town a bit and found THIS... Β Β What is a Roundabout doing in N. America...????? Do they know what it is?? Doesn't it confuse them??? Β Β Coat on, left the building........ Β Been severely scared by the Somerville Circle in PA where traffic entering the circle off 202 at like 70mph has priority over you on the circle - have also seen them in Florida as well. Paul........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What would you makeof a visit to Swindon*, I wonder? Β * Other locations, e.g. Hemel Hempstead, High Wycombe, Colchester, with similar magic roundabouts are also available. Β So that's what the remains of the stuff you can see from space that the Incas did, must have been. Β Andy Β ex Hemel Hempstead roundabout veteran. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 (edited) What is a Roundabout doing in N. America...????? Do they know what it is?? Doesn't it confuse them??? Β We have a lot in New Jersey, Jordan....they call them βCirclesβ. There have been roundabouts/traffic circles in various bits of North America for a long time, but the rules tend to be variable which makes them somewhat confusing to use. Long Beach, CA https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=33.78958,-118.142689&spn=0.002613,0.002401&t=h&z=19 Philadelphia, PA https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=39.957472,-75.171263&spn=0.004821,0.004801&t=h&z=18 Rumford, ME https://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=44.547709,-70.549283&spn=0.001585,0.002401&t=h&z=19 Famously: Β Columbus Circle in New York City. Dupont Circle in Washington DC. This one has 10 spokes and is hectic, plus Connecticut Ave goes straight through underneath. There are several others in Washington (Logan Circle, Washington Circle etc) thanks to Pierre L'Enfant's Masonic street plan.Β Edited January 23, 2015 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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